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    gmuk
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    Hello,

    It looks as if I can’t do without Win XP Pro! My wife’s Windows 7 looks “locked” in every possible manner, but I like to fiddle with my OS; that’s how I found a trick I posted, a long time ago, about displaying Recent File List in Office 2003…

    My IBM Thinkpad is getting very old, like me, and I wonder if, when it breaks down, after copying my actual HDD image on a new computer, I’ll be able to use the Windows 7 drivers for the LCD panel, HDD, Wi-Fi, etc. I doubt it but an answer from you may reassure me! Who knows…

    Thanks a lot for reading me,

    JC

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    Ossian
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Most recent computers have drivers etc for WinXP but you will almost certainly need to do a fresh install (from XP media) as moving a drive from one computer to another will probably not give you a working OS

    Note you will need to search for 32 bit drivers for XP (on the vendors site) as Win7 is quite likely to be 64 bit

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Hello Ossian,

    Thank you for such a prompt answer :razz:.
    It probably won’t be easy to install Win XP on a brand new computer, but I’ll give it a try anyway and let you know.
    Thanks again,
    JC

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    Ossian
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    #186827

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    tbh, I doubt if it will be a problem, but if you let us know the make and model we should be able to point you at the key drivers.

    #385234

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Turning off UAC in Windows 7 will “unlock” a lot of it. I agree that Windows 7 can be a bit daunting at first, but you can’t learn about it if you don’t use it. That, and considering that XP will reach end-of-life pretty soon means it might be time to bite the bullet and upgrade. I know I can’t say much, as I’m typing this from an XP machine, but that has more to do with me not wanting to set up all my apps again on a new machine. I’m a sysadmin and I’m comfortable with my machine; if I need something more, I just log into one of our 2008 R2 servers and do it from there. :)

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Hello Ossian,
    Once again I thank you for your help :)
    If I love my Win XP, I’m, above all, “addicted” to that little red TrackPoint button I’ve been using for the past 10 or 11 years ! And I contaminated the rest of the family !
    So I went to the Lenovo site and found a lot of drivers for XP – even for Win 2K – available for the X230 notebook. There’s also the XP Mode that comes with the Win 7 Pro edition. That could solve a problem as I don’t have an XP setup disk, except the one that came with my computer and that probably won’t accept installing on a new machine as it is an OEM version. On top of that, I wouldn’t have to bother with drivers.
    Do you think an i5 CPU with 8 GB of memory will be a comfortable configuration to run all these Win 7, virtual machine and XP ?
    Another question about Win 7 or 8: Is their a way to have full access to any directory of the system like Documents and Settings to open Application Data (to, among other things, erase those bl***y Flash Player cookies), Start Menu, Local Settings, etc., Windows, System, System32, in other words, all directories?
    What’s more, I suppose XP will be embedded in the Windows host…
    Sorry for such a long post… Don’t worry, I won’t ask anymore questions!
    Thanks again,
    JC

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Hi Bertmax
    Thanks for the tip. I’ll try it on my wife’s Win 7!
    I neither don’t feel like setting all my apps again and, as far as I’m concerned, XP will reach end of life when I stop using it! One day I found a good configuration and never updated it since then. I use Hibernation every day and reboot it only every 1 or 2 weeks (I even kept it running for 5 weeks without a reboot). It took me so long to set it that I don’t feel like doing it all over again with a new OS! You know, partitioning, changing Shell Folders paths, disabling useless services, all the registry tricks and I have 2 LANs, 2 simple servers… As long as Ossian won’t tell me it’s possible to tweak Win 7 or 8 as easily as XP, I’ll stick with it! JC

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    Ossian
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    XP (32 bit) won’t take advantage of 8Gb RAM — max about 3.5Gb and the rest will be ignored.

    XP Mode (as you pointed out) gives the best of both worlds with a familiar environment running inside Win7

    You can open Win7 a lot more than it is, but this decreases security a lot, so all at your own risk. There is plenty of documentation on :google: on how to tweak it.

    Also be aware that XP is on the road to an honourable and well deserved retirement (I believe support finally ends in 2013). Win 7 will probably be the OS of choice for this decade, unless Microsoft pull off a miracle with Win8R2 :twisted:

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Ossian;260984 wrote:
    XP (32 bit) won’t take advantage of 8Gb RAM — max about 3.5Gb and the rest will be ignored.

    As stated, I was talking about the host system, the virtual machine AND Win XP ! I’m not that stupid.

    Ossian;260984 wrote:
    You can open Win7 a lot more than it is, but this decreases security a lot, so all at your own risk. There is plenty of documentation on on how to tweak it.

    I didn’t ask HOW to tweak Win7 but IF it could be tweaked as much as XP and have full access to any folder and sub-folders. Thanks

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    Wired
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Yes, you can have access to any folder.

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Thanks Wired,

    The idea behind my worries and questions is that I can’t bare an OS forbidding me to do whatever I want, whether it comes from Microsoft or MAC OS ! I suppose the reason behind locking their OS is to decrease the support calls from the everyday user. But they should let the “tweaker” tweak !

    Reading about the numerous file access problems on the forums, and their consequences with servers and other USB devices, really puts me off.

    When you plug an external memory stick or HDD, Win 7 (or MAC OS for that matter) writes tons of files (God knows why) and changes the drive letter when I have set a particular one for my use with XP. Unbearable !

    I would happily switch to Linux but, unfortunately, I use apps like Visual C++, DVDFab, etc. Therefore, I can’t do without Windows but certainly not with 7…

    Thanks for reading :)

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    Ossian
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    gmuk;261000 wrote:
    As stated, I was talking about the host system, the virtual machine AND Win XP ! I’m not that stupid.

    I didn’t ask HOW to tweak Win7 but IF it could be tweaked as much as XP and have full access to any folder and sub-folders. Thanks

    I was also talking about the host system. If you install any 32 bit operating system , it will not, by design, allow you to make use of more than 4GB of physical RAM and in reality some of that is reserved for things like graphics memory, so a practical figure is 3.5Gb. The reason for saying this is that you were talking about installing Windows XP as the main operating system on a laptop with 8GB RAM and would therefore not make full use of it.

    I was also trying to give you some general answers to your questions and give you some background information. Sorry if it caused offence but I would point out that if you find some documentation on HOW to do something, presumably it answers the question about IF it is possible. Next time I will be more precise and answer in binary terms. For your precise question, the answer is YES.

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Hello Ossian,

    My post about memory and so on was clumsy because I’m anxious about what will happen if my XP computer breaks down tomorrow. I’ll be really in the… see what I mean :) and I’ll have to turn to XP mode, which I’m not too pleased about.

    I would rather use XP in dual mode, but installing it after Win7 requires a proper 7 setup DVD, which is not supplied with notebooks, to restore the 7 MBR. Not to mention all the problems that can occur in the process !

    Another solution would be to get rid of Win7 altogether if I can get hold of a proper XP setup disk. The one supplied with my computer is only a disk image of the original configuration. And, what’s more, it looks as if MS refuses to register an OS, already paid for, when you install it on a new computer after the original one broke down ! What is the answer to all that crap ? Get an illegal version of XP ! Is that what MS wants ?

    It’s like trying to square a circle ! That’s why I am mad at MS but certainly not at you and I’m sorry if I sounded awkward. You tried to help me and I’ll turn to you again if I get confused about what driver(s) to use, as you suggested in one of your answers.

    Many thanks,

    JC

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    Wired
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    #274393

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    IIRC XP doesn’t call home, however OEM XP CDs will only work on their brand of computers, and sometimes only certain models. Similarly, OEM XP keys won’t work on other OEM XP CDs or on retail CDs, and vice versa.

    Having said all that, do you use a program that can only run on XP (and not in XP mode)?

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Hello Wired,

    No problem to get hold of a non-OEM XP CD with or without a key! But this is not the point for the moment if I stick with XP mode.

    Of course, I didn’t try XP mode but, according to MS, it is a fully functional version so it should run any program that I actually use.

    My worry is more about the look and feel of the OS. I created 3 partitions, one of them especially dedicated to my data, the Temp and Temporary Internet Files folders and, as time went by, I added to that partition a lot of other system information and data I wanted in the same place to keep an eye on them. MS, Apple, Macromedia, etc. are so nosy !

    All those modifications require fiddling with the registry and I wonder if the XP registry can be accessed “normally” or if it’s embedded with the Win7 registry. Do you have any info ?

    Thanks a lot

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    Wired
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    #274394

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    You can log into XP Mode just like any other VM and access it just as if it was a stand alone PC.

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    gmuk
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    #326863

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Thanks Wired but I meant accessing the XP registry in XP mode. In other words, does the virtualised XP has a registry of it’s own or is it embedded in the Win7 registry ?

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    Ossian
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    The virtual machine is entirely separate from the physical one and has its own registry

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    gmuk
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    #326864

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Fine. I’ll be able to tweak XP mode as much as I want! That’s cool :)

    I thought virtualisation was for the Cloud or big companies and their servers. But considering the power of the machines today, the amount of memory available, all at a reasonable price, virtualisation seems a good solution for the average user too. And to make things easy, you can even buy a Win7 notebook already set up with XP mode. Still, the file sharing problems remain… Never mind, I’ll give it a try.

    But what about MS commercial policy? Locking it’s OS might be the beginning of a new era; as with the smartphones and tablets today, we might have, in the future, to buy MS if we have Windows, buy Apple if we use MAC OS, buy Google with Android, etc. It does frighten me. I want to be able to download what I want from wherever I want and install it on my computer. That’s why I’ll never buy a tablet and sticking with an old, but nevertheless very efficient, OS still appeals to me. I won’t throw away my XP Pro setup disk!

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    Ossian
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    #186908

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Microsoft introduced XP Mode with higher end editions of Windows 7 to improve business adoption — you can run “legacy” software under XP mode (free license for XP Pro with every Win7 Pro or above) and even integrate it with the Win7 Start menu.

    For developers / trainers etc it is a bonus as we run multiple VMs with different configurations on a high specced desktop or laptop

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    gmuk
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    Strange comment! Did you read my post or is it you didn’t find anything else to say than copy/paste MS XP mode home page?

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    wullieb1
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    What files sharing issues?? Enable Integration features and you will be able to access all the drives on your Windows 7 system including network drives.

    I’m not sure where you are going with the last comment though.

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    Wired
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    #274398

    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    There’s no reason they’d lock the OS down. Also, AFAIK every tablet OS out there has been hacked to allow full access anyway. Android’s open source, and the latest iOS (5.1.1) was jailbroken a long time ago.

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    Ossian
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    Re: Can I install Win XP Pro SP2 on a recent computer?

    gmuk;261272 wrote:
    Strange comment! Did you read my post or is it you didn’t find anything else to say than copy/paste MS XP mode home page?

    I was responding to your comment about Virtualisation being only for the cloud. And I do not copy/paste without acknowledgement of sources. It is called professional integrity.

    But since you seem to take offence at anything anyone says that does not directly answer a question you ask, I suggest you take further offence by going to :google: and looking up “share and enjoy”

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    gmuk;260983 wrote:
    Hi Bertmax
    Thanks for the tip. I’ll try it on my wife’s Win 7!
    I neither don’t feel like setting all my apps again and, as far as I’m concerned, XP will reach end of life when I stop using it! One day I found a good configuration and never updated it since then. I use Hibernation every day and reboot it only every 1 or 2 weeks (I even kept it running for 5 weeks without a reboot). It took me so long to set it that I don’t feel like doing it all over again with a new OS! You know, partitioning, changing Shell Folders paths, disabling useless services, all the registry tricks and I have 2 LANs, 2 simple servers… As long as Ossian won’t tell me it’s possible to tweak Win 7 or 8 as easily as XP, I’ll stick with it! JC

    Hey, I like XP, too, and I still use it now. However one of the things to consider is that end-of-life means no more updates for XP. That means that, if a hole in the OS is discovered and exploited (such as what happened to Windows 2000), there will be no Microsoft patches to address it. I’m sure you’ve seen plenty of updates regarding security vulnerabilities, and those will stop coming. Just something to consider.

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