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  • Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

    Hi all

    Just looking at playing with VMware Server 2.0. Already captured a physical machine and was wondering what the best method of backing it up is?

    And how do snapshots work? Can I automate a snapshot each night say and back that up?

    Cheers!!
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    Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

    Snapshots are not backups. They're only an incremental shadow copy thats appended to a base image file. You use them for rolling back to an original point in time. Think of them as similar to BMR technology that Acronis or Symantec use.
    If you want to backup the actual virtual machine files any method will do such as NTbackup. Even copy and paste will suffice. But the provisio is the machine must NOT be powered on.
    Myself personally i wouldnt waste time with VMware Server. Just install ESXi instead as thats also a free alternatively and the equivalent of the full blown ESX client. VMware Server is only a worse-er version of VMware Workstation.

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    • #3
      Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

      We cannot use ESXi as the Virtual Server is hosted on a Windows box that is already doing something. We are just dipping our toe into Virtualisation. Start small, then work up. ESXi sounds interesting though, may be worth popping it on an old server to play with.

      What are the limitations over the full ESX version?
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      • #4
        Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

        Originally posted by tonyyeb View Post
        We cannot use ESXi as the Virtual Server is hosted on a Windows box that is already doing something. We are just dipping our toe into Virtualisation. Start small, then work up. ESXi sounds interesting though, may be worth popping it on an old server to play with.

        What are the limitations over the full ESX version?
        Not alot to be frank. ESXi for lab use and may be even production is just as good as ESX if you ask me.

        http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphe...x/compare.html

        VMware are going to eventually get rid of ESX anyway with ESXi being the standard. The binaries are virtually the same and features are only limited via licensing. Thats probably more of a move to save them paying royaltys to RedHat for proprietary code. As well as the product maturing immensely over the years.

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        • #5
          Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

          Originally posted by scurlaruntings View Post
          Not alot to be frank. ESXi for lab use and may be even production is just as good as ESX if you ask me.

          http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphe...x/compare.html

          VMware are going to eventually get rid of ESX anyway with ESXi being the standard. The binaries are virtually the same and features are only limited via licensing. Thats probably more of a move to save them paying royaltys to RedHat for proprietary code. As well as the product maturing immensely over the years.
          I'm quite new to this so bare with me. Things I would expect are a nice web interface where I can create, stop, start VMs (No command lines, Linux etc, we are Windows boys, we like GUIs!), I can use two servers with a SAN to run this. Backups are automated. Etc...
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          • #6
            Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

            Originally posted by tonyyeb View Post
            I'm quite new to this so bare with me. Things I would expect are a nice web interface where I can create, stop, start VMs (No command lines, Linux etc, we are Windows boys, we like GUIs!), I can use two servers with a SAN to run this. Backups are automated. Etc...
            You can do all of that with ESXi. The emphasis of ESXi is the removal of the console (RedHart) CLI component. So Windoze guys can be just at home with the product as Linux guys.
            And there is more support for backups with the ESX(i) product than VMware Server which is not an enterprise class product. I use Trilead and Veeam to do my backups (both free). Although theres nothing to stop you from using SCP or Pearl Scripts if you're familiar with Linux. ( Im a cheap skate you see )
            And of course ESX(i) has vast support for iSCSI or Fibre Channel SAN's as well as NFS storage. The worlds pretty much your oyster with ESX(i).
            The only one thing i will say is ESX has a web front end, although it is limited. You manage ESX(i) from the vSphere (old VI Client) Client or vCenter server if you have one. ESXi though does not have a web front end. You wouldnt want to use it anyway. The Vsphere client is how you manage the product.
            VMware Server though as you know can only be managed from the web front end. Its too basic for my liking though.

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            • #7
              Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

              I think I need to install ESXi and start to play and discover these things for myself! Thanks for the help so far... I may be back to you soon!
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              • #8
                Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

                But getting back to your original question.

                With Vmware server you cannot keep more than one snapshot at a time, ESX/i can keep multiple snapshots (but it is not recommended)

                Regarding GUI you can use the same vSphere client to manage both your ESXi machine and your VMware server as well.

                http://technodrone.blogspot.com/2009...erver-20x.html
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                • #9
                  Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

                  Originally posted by Maish View Post

                  Regarding GUI you can use the same vSphere client to manage both your ESXi machine and your VMware server as well.

                  http://technodrone.blogspot.com/2009...erver-20x.html
                  Building on this point:

                  http://labs.vmware.com/flings/vgc

                  I use the above to manage all ESX/ESXi vCenter and Workstation. Its also capable of managing VMware Server all from one console. This is a free application that is not developed directly by VMware. Does a fantastic job i may add.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Backing up, snapshots etc... in VMware Server 2.0

                    Great stuff guys. Lots of food for thought and stuff to play with. Hopefully get time to install ESXi 4.1 today on something.
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