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  • HOST Server which contain VM

    Hello,

    I would like to have some opinion about the Scenario below...

    1 HOST server which contain 2 Virtual Machines.

    First Virtual Machine is SBS 2008 our DC with Exchange 2007, the second VM is an application server/Sql server.

    The Host Server is on a workgroup and the two VMs are both on Domain.

    Can the Host server be joined to the domain?

    Regards,

    Jerry LP

  • #2
    Re: HOST Server which contain VM

    As long as the host server does not run services that depend on a directory controller, it will be fine. If you run hyper-v as a cluster you need a dc to fire up the cluster.
    gerth

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    • #3
      Re: HOST Server which contain VM

      Moved from certification forum to HyperV
      Tom Jones
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      • #4
        Re: HOST Server which contain VM

        I would not join the host to the domain in this situation since the DC is dependent on the host. If you want to join host machines to the domain I would have at least one physical DC.
        Regards,
        Jeremy

        Network Consultant/Engineer
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        • #5
          Re: HOST Server which contain VM

          Best practices for SBS say do not join the host to the domain.
          The reasoning: you start the host first and there is no DC for it to log into as the DC (SBS) is a guest inside the host.
          Just remember to manage your Windows Updates separately fot the host.
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          • #6
            Re: HOST Server which contain VM

            And note you can use WSUS with a non-domain member if you import a registry file
            Tom Jones
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            • #7
              Re: HOST Server which contain VM

              Hello All,

              Thank you very much for helping me on taking a decision.

              The sole reason for me to join the HOST to the Domain is that, we have implemented Backup Exec as backup solution and we need to create a backup job to backup the Exchange from the SBS 2008 and would probably be able to restore individual items and email messages. We could not install the Exchange management tools to the HOST server as it is not part of the domain.

              Hope you understand my situation.

              Please Help on solving this issue.

              Many thanks in advance.

              Jerry LP

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              • #8
                Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                Sorry but I don't understand... what does the host have to do with backing up the SBS VM? Are you trying to backup to the host?

                If you're trying to backup the SBS server to some space on the host, why not just create another VHD and backup to that? It's the same difference since it's still on the same physical hardware. But you should really get your backups to different hardware and offsite.
                Regards,
                Jeremy

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                • #9
                  Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                  i think he wants to do GRT-style backups of the mailboxes on the SBS Server.
                  However, he wants to use the VMHost as the backup server, and cannot install Exchange tools because it's not part of the domain.
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                  • #10
                    Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                    You don't install the Exchange tools on the host. If you are using Backup Exec you install an Exchange Remote Agent on the SBS server. When you define your backup job, you create an account in Backup Exec that has the SBS logon credentials.

                    If you want to back up the VM you need a Hyper-V Remote Agent.
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                    • #11
                      Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                      IIRC The Backup exec Exchange Agent also requires some exchange functionality on the main Backup Exec server -- certainly the MAPI CDO and maybe the management tools

                      @OP -- can you set up another physical DC (perhaps on an old workstation or even laptop to allow you to attach the HyperV box to the domain?
                      Tom Jones
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                      • #12
                        Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                        [QUOTE]
                        IIRC The Backup exec Exchange Agent also requires some exchange functionality on the main Backup Exec server -- certainly the MAPI CDO and maybe the management tools



                        This information is entirely incorrect. Although this information is covered in the Backup Exec user manual (eliminating the need for guesswork), I will share my first-hand experience from the last 11 Hyper-V networks I have installed, either SBS 2008 or SBS 2011.

                        The Backup Exec 2010 R3 server on a Hyper-V host only requires the Agent for Windows Server and the Agent for Exchange Server. If you want to back up the VMs you need the Agent for Hyper-V.
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                        • #13
                          Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                          I will bow to your first hand experience -- I have a definite recollection of struggling with BUExec for Exchange 2007 and having to install the MAPI CDO and tools as part of it, but could not say which version of BUExec this was for -- probably 12.5

                          EDIT - Symantec seem to say the management tools are required for BUExec 2010 R3:
                          http://www.symantec.com/business/sup...&id=HOWTO24128
                          To back up Microsoft Exchange Server 2007/2010, you must install the Exchange Management Tools for Microsoft Exchange Server 2007/2010 on the media server. The management tools on the media server must be the same version or later as the management tools that are on the Exchange Server 2007/2010
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                          • #14
                            Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                            I wonder if they refer to a stand-alone Exchange server? My experience has only been with SBS 2008 and SBS 2011 in a Hyper-V environment. A few customers have a VM with a BES installed on it and I had to install the MAPI/CDO tools on that. Anyway, to confirm on a Hyper-V server it only needs the Exchange Agent. Thanks.
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                            • #15
                              Re: HOST Server which contain VM

                              Take a look at this Symantec support thread. The Hyper-V host is not a part of the domain so you would not be able to install the MAPI/CDO tools. The thread goes on to point out the error in the Symantec documentation.

                              http://www.symantec.com/connect/foru...ckup-exec-2010
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