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    Hi,

    So I'm buying Technet Pro with the aim of using some licenses for my many PC's but also to have a domain at home ... in addition it will allow me to play with virtualisation and virtualised PC's with the possible aim of gaining MS Tech qualifications.

    I want the server to replace my 1TB NAS server, to act as a domain controller and to be fairly low power and I'm looking at the following as a basis for the machine:
    • Gigabyte S1155 Intel H67 DDR3 mini-ITX motherboard
    • Intel Pentium Dual Core G840 2.8GHz LGA1155
    • Akasa Crypto Media Mini ITX Case 60W - VESA Edition
    • Samsung 1TB Spinpoint MT2 SATA-300 5400RPM 8MB 2.5" Mobile HD
    • 8GB Memory

    No DVD as I have a USB portable I can attach to it for installing the OS and anything else as required.

    That lot won't cost much, will (I hope) be fairly low power. I could go lower and get an Intel motherboard that has a dual core Intel Atom on it but they don't officially support 2008 on such a system.

    My biggest question lies around the PSU ... is 60W enough? The server won't be doing much, possibly a little experimental virtualisation (nothing too stressful) except act as a DC to about 7 clients, file & print share, maybe WSUS.

    Any advice appreciated

    Keke
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    Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

    Not sure about the PSU, but just confirm HyperV is supported
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    • #3
      Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

      Originally posted by Kyuuketsuki
      My biggest question lies around the PSU ... is 60W enough?

      Is this a typo or did you really mean 600W?

      See what you need using a Power Supply Calculator
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      • #4
        Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

        Originally posted by biggles77 View Post
        Is this a typo or did you really mean 600W?
        No that's right, it's specifically designed to be a low power case and to some degree so is the mini-ITX motherboard ... I'm just not sure by how much.

        Originally posted by biggles77 View Post
        See what you need using a Power Supply Calculator
        Yeah I tried that earlier, wasn't really able to answer question like TDP intelligently ... seems to me a domain cntroller in a home situation doing little else but file & print could well be running at closer to 10% than 90. Didn't help that I couldn't find the G840 processor on the list ... like I said earlier I could go instead for the dual core atom which most definitely would be lower power.

        Keke
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        • #5
          Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

          If you are going to be running Virtuals then you really need something that has a wee bit of power in addition to the required RAM. If you try running VMs on an Atom you may end up watching the grass grow while the VM boots.

          I only have experience with the Atom running on NetBooks and I will not recommend this processor to anyone. It's a WOMBAT!! (IMO)
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            Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

            Originally posted by biggles77 View Post
            If you are going to be running Virtuals then you really need something that has a wee bit of power in addition to the required RAM. If you try running VMs on an Atom you may end up watching the grass grow while the VM boots.

            I only have experience with the Atom running on NetBooks and I will not recommend this processor to anyone. It's a WOMBAT!! (IMO)
            Understood ... er ... wombat?

            Keke
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            • #7
              Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

              Waste Of Money Brains And Time
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              • #8
                Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                Originally posted by biggles77 View Post
                Waste Of Money Brains And Time
                Oh! Thx ... LOL

                Vaguely reminiscent of PEBCAK

                Keke
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                • #9
                  Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                  Originally posted by biggles77 View Post
                  Waste Of Money Brains And Time
                  Typical Aussie
                  Kindly Offer Another Lousy Acronym
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                  • #10
                    Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                    And getting less

                    I replaced my main DC (an ancient P4 box) with a micro ATX MoBo / Atom combo (ASUS AT5IONT) and, while it works very nicely (quiet, low power), doesnt support VT so no HyperV. I think it comes with a 90W laptop PSU or a "normal PSU" option -- mine is, IIRC, 250W as I couldnt be bothered to hunt for a specialised one.
                    Tom Jones
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                    • #11
                      Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that with PSU, the idea was you go for as much wattage as you can get, since it's the other end pulling that's going to affect how much power you use. the wattage of the PSU is just the max it's capable of suplying....

                      course I may be compleatly off here.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                        Originally posted by se5a View Post
                        Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that with PSU, the idea was you go for as much wattage as you can get, since it's the other end pulling that's going to affect how much power you use. the wattage of the PSU is just the max it's capable of suplying....
                        From what I can tell you're right ... the PSU I eventually ended up with was 250W but in practice the server uses about 60W.

                        Anyway ... the server works fine, minor quibble with the case (one of the Thermaltake shuttle-like ones) in that its front audio cable doesn't reach to the back of the case which happens to be where the motherboard connector is ... I can live with that as it's a server but it would be an issue for someone building this as an ordinary PC. Anyway 2008 R2 works just fine on it.

                        Now some advice ... I want a cheapish fan that isn't as noisy as the supplied Intel one. Given the case size it has to be reasonably small and I suppose, if such a thing existed, I'd prefer a fanless solution. Any ideas?

                        Keke
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                        • #13
                          Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                          I sugest looking around the gaming enthusiest cooling solutions, they've got quieter fans.

                          not going to help you in this case, but my gaming PC has a couple of massive but slow spinning fans = plenty of airflow, but verry low noise.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                            Thx Se5a.

                            Here's an example of a passive cooler that will fit: AK-CC7111

                            I'm a server engineer so I frequently build always on blades which have passive heatsinks in very tiny spaces so, although the heatsinks tend to be a bit bigger, I see no reason why (in principle) this shouldn't work.

                            Alternately there is this Silverstone NT07-1156 which does have a fan and is supposed to be quite quiet.

                            Any opinons?

                            EDIT:

                            A little further investigation reveals that the noisy fan isn't actually the CPU fan but the case fan.

                            I'm currently running it without that fan being on and temperatures are only a little higher than before (granted that is just 2008 and doing a whole lot of ... well ... not very much) so what I might do is buy a better/quieter case fan though that will need to be the same size as the current one (there's not much room in there). I may still buy one of your suggested fans since I am planning to do some Hyper-V virtualisation on it which is bound to push power usage and temperature up.


                            Keke
                            Last edited by Kyuuketsuki; 25th September 2011, 16:21.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Low Power 2008 Server?

                              yeah I'd be a little carefull, blade (and many non blade) servers often don't have a fan on the CPU but use the 'case fan' (normaly a number of them, esp in the case of the few blade servers I've seen) to blow air through the CPU heatsink. there's normaly a warning somewhere on the case to limit the amount of time the server is running without the lid/side on it to as short as possible - or you don't get the airflow being forced through critical heat sinks.

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