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  • Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

    Server is an HP DL380 G4 with 2 3.6 Xeons. 6GB DDR2 and a U320 SCSI subsystem.

    Prior to the the installation, yesterday, of Server 2008 STD 64-bit I had Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.1 LTS 64-bit Server Edition installed with 2 drives allocated to its use (formatted ext3.) These were removed and Server 2008 was installed and uses 4 NTFS drives.

    My intention was to dual boot Server2008/Ubuntu. The ubuntu forum provided good directions for this. Essentially it uses Grub which findes Ubuntu which it was loaded along with but has a section added so that it can find the Windows boot drive/partition which is no longer at SCSI ID0 (replaced by the Ubuntu boot drive. Once it follows this path boot loader is not concerned apparently.

    I have been reading the Microsoft Server 2008 information and other searched material and wonder if vitualization is an alternative to dual booting. Microsoft says:

    "Virtualization Built-in

    Windows Server Hyper-V...allows you to make the best use of your server ...by consolidating multiple server roles as separate virtual machines running...You can also efficiently run multiple operating systems - Windows, Linux, and others in parallel on a single server. With Hyper-V and simple licensing policies...take advantage of the cost savings of virtualization."

    Ubuntu uses KVM for virtualization. Would there be any likely clash? I suppose you would only use one or the other. My processors appear to be able to use vrtualization, the HP machinery also appears to be good for it. I could not see whether once installed you kind of boot into the other environment from within windows or whether it is a simple step into it.

    Am I barking up a completely wrong tree? I certainly have no general appreciation of the area. Frankly, dual booting would be fine for my use but it is worthwhile checking before setting up a dual boot.

    Thanks

    Ian

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    Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

    I would go for virtualization.
    Much easier, both systems can be online and installing Ubuntu within Hyper-V shouldn't give you a problem although I haven't tested it.
    Marcel
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    • #3
      Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

      Thanks yet again, Dumber.

      More new territory for me to try.

      Regards

      Ian

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      • #4
        Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

        Duel booting should go obsolete with Virtualization.

        I would drop ESXi on that hardware and run both Windows and Ubuntu

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        • #5
          Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

          Originally posted by Garen View Post
          Duel booting should go obsolete with Virtualization.

          I would drop ESXi on that hardware and run both Windows and Ubuntu
          See - in some situations I agree. However I have a dual-boot system simply because the idea of the second XP Pro installation is to reduce the resource usage to a minimum so I can run games; so Hyper-Visors wouldn't help.

          There are many situations in which a Virtual simply won't cut the mustard and a dual-boot will; you can't call it for all situations. Before you decide which is better, you need to know what the requirements are; just like ANY other IT decision.


          Tom
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          • #6
            Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

            Originally posted by Garen View Post
            Duel booting should go obsolete with Virtualization.

            I would drop ESXi on that hardware and run both Windows and Ubuntu
            Hi Garen,

            I gave it a go but I was wrong. My dual processors don't actually provide the hardware support required and Hyper-V would not install for me. I had looked up the Intel processor chart and optimistically identified a 3.6 Xeon processor which would but now, red faced, have to pull my horns in.

            The HP server can be upgraded to 3.8 Xeons and I will check out whether they are Hyper-V enabled but a jump to another set of 3.6MHz processors seems a bit silly to me. The material I have read to date doesnt indicate that it can be upgraded to dual core which would have been a more interesting option.

            It is fast enough for all my purposes other than this. My PC (a 3.4Mhz Extreme) with U320 SCSI subsystem (off PCI not PCI-X) isn't fast enough to keep AVCHD editing in Adobe Premier Pro running smoothly all the time (and is slow on some limited other intensive work I do) but the server with its dual Xeons runs this well so my motiviation to upgrade probably should be low at this time.

            Thanks for the advice.

            Regards

            Ian

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            • #7
              Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

              Originally posted by Stonelaughter View Post
              See - in some situations I agree. However I have a dual-boot system simply because the idea of the second XP Pro installation is to reduce the resource usage to a minimum so I can run games; so Hyper-Visors wouldn't help.
              Gday Tom,

              I don't run games (though would like to) but can see that when I get the machinery to run the two together there may be value in dual boot as well for the heaviest work.

              A new computer now appears likely to be a good while off though.

              Thanks

              Ian

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              • #8
                Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

                If Hyper-V and ESXi won't work, then I would go for Virtual Server.
                Actually I don't care what you use, ESXi and Hyper-V has their advantages and disadvantages.
                If I had the choice I would go for ESX (without the i)
                Marcel
                Technical Consultant
                Netherlands
                http://www.phetios.com
                http://blog.nessus.nl

                MCITP(EA, SA), MCSA/E 2003:Security, CCNA, SNAF, DCUCI, CCSA/E/E+ (R60), VCP4/5, NCDA, NCIE - SAN, NCIE - BR, EMCPE
                "No matter how secure, there is always the human factor."

                "Enjoy life today, tomorrow may never come."
                "If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill"

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                • #9
                  Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

                  Originally posted by Dumber View Post
                  If Hyper-V and ESXi won't work, then I would go for Virtual Server...If I had the choice I would go for ESX (without the i)
                  Thanks very much again, Marcel. I will look into Virtual Server and check the difference between ESX and ESXi before getting into the next computer.

                  Regards

                  Ian

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dual Boot or Virtualization? Server2008/Ubuntu

                    ESXi and Virtual server are both free.
                    However, with ESX you can have a lot more advantages however ESX is quite costly.
                    I really would review www.vmware.com and even post back when you have more questions about ESX.
                    Jason on this forum is quite knowledgeable about those products
                    Marcel
                    Technical Consultant
                    Netherlands
                    http://www.phetios.com
                    http://blog.nessus.nl

                    MCITP(EA, SA), MCSA/E 2003:Security, CCNA, SNAF, DCUCI, CCSA/E/E+ (R60), VCP4/5, NCDA, NCIE - SAN, NCIE - BR, EMCPE
                    "No matter how secure, there is always the human factor."

                    "Enjoy life today, tomorrow may never come."
                    "If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill"

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