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  • With Deep Sorrow and Regret

    Yesterday it was announced by Microsoft that Small Busines Server Standard, Home Server and Premium Add-on have contracted a terminal illness, with no hope for a lasting continuance.
    From the Server 2012 Licensing FAQ:
    Q33. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business?
    No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard, which includes Exchange Server and Windows server component products, will be the final such Windows Server offering. This change is in response to small business market trends and behavior. The small business computing trends are moving in the direction of cloud computing for applications and services such as email, online back-up and line-of-business tools.
    As of the 1 August 2012, Customers will not be able to purchase SBS Server Licences or CALs with Software Assurance. The stand alone Licence only SKUs still continue to be available, so customers looking to purchase with Software Assurance in order to cover themselves for the upgrades need to do so before the end of July. Open Value customers will need to ensure the agreements are signed before the end of July as well. Customer should check in on Microsoft Server & Cloud Platform Products & Solutions<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/> in the coming weeks for further updates.
    So terminally ill, with a reasonable life expectancy until 2015 and on extended life support until 2020, with no apparent heir.

    That your final days be restful, SBS as we remember you for the rest of our lives....
    TIA

    Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
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    Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

    I'm sure I am not alone in thinking that this is the worst idea since Olaf the Hairy, high chief of all the vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.

    We have several customers who are too small for full product but will not use cloud solutions, and I'm sure everybody else has customers like this too.
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    • #3
      Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

      Same here at my end.
      i hope they will change their minds

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      • #4
        Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

        Only Microsoft could do this....

        End result will be a lot of businesses skipping an upgrade until (in Windows 9 Server) the policy is reversed.

        Have to say, it is the height of institutional arrogance to assume everyone is happy putting their email, sharepoint, databases straight into the cloud*

        *Obviously I understand this makes it much easier for governments etc to "inspect" the data just in case any unlawful activities are being carried out
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        • #5
          Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

          do I understand correctly, that as of August 1, you won't be able to buy new CALs or server licences for SBS? (unless you have an existing OV agreement ?)
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          • #6
            Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

            No , what you can't buy from 1 Aug is SA (Software Assurance) on any SBS Standard agreements. New licenses can be bought throught 2013 - more for OEM, I understand. So it will remain in the channel for some time yet.Life support (updates and patches) will continue to the end of 2015 and security only patches will continue until possibly 2020.
            As my friend, Andy Goodman, wrote: Like Mark Twain the reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. But there is no doubt that SBS is termianlly ill.

            Opportunity: Buy OVS/VL + SA now and you will get a Windows 2012 Server Standard + Exchange 2010 full licences as your SA fulfillment when Server 2012 is released (about Oct/Nov 2012).
            TIA

            Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
            http://www.wintra.co.il/
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            • #7
              Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

              I'm disappointed - SBS is a fantastic solution for small businesses, especially where they don't necessarily have their own IT people. It can, mostly, be managed by just about anyone on a basic level.

              However - I've seen alot of places mismanage it as well.. where consultants or IT providers just try to treat it like Server on it's lonesome, which doens't always work well.

              best solution now for a small client would be a standard Svr2012 licence, plus cloud hosted email solution probably.
              Or move away completely and use an imap or other-type solution for groupware..

              or even just a NAS for local storage on site, and hosted email... no revenue for MS at all then..
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              • #8
                Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

                I know a few people that intend to provide hosted themselves. They can undercut 365 (look at the prices, it's not that hard) and offer their services on top. It's just taking a slightly different business model. i.e. yearly contracts and monthly billing instead of one-off hardware/software sales.

                But the facts aren't what worries me, it's the unknowns.

                Ah SBS, what dreams may come?

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                • #9
                  No more SBS from Microsoft

                  SBS 2011 will be the last version of the SBS version as we know it. They are ending our businesses and want us to sell stupid no good products like the new Windows Server 2012 Essentials. It's like selling a horse with a broken leg. All that to make us swith to Office 365.

                  The king is death, long live the king.

                  Unbelievable that MS is killing this market and product. I'm thinking of moving all my customers to Google Apps in spite.

                  Here the QandA from the faq.

                  Q: Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard?
                  A:
                  No. Windows SBS 2011 Standard, which includes Exchange Server and SharePoint Foundation as component products, will be the final such Windows Server offering. Windows Server 2012 Beta Essentials has been designed to allow customers the flexibility to choose which applications and services run on-premises and which run in the cloud. With Windows Server 2012 Beta Essentials, customers can take advantage of the same type of integrated management experience whether they choose to run an on-premises copy of Exchange Server, subscribe to a hosted Exchange service, or subscribe to Office 365.
                  Q: What will Windows SBS 2011 Standard customers with Software Assurance receive?
                  A:
                  If you have Software Assurance on Windows SBS 2011 Standard, you will receive one Windows Server 2012 Standard license and one Exchange Server 2010 Standard license. Customers with current Software Assurance will receive the above licensing grant. This grant will be reflected upon your agreement renewal; however you are entitled to use the granted product upon its availability.
                  Q: How long will customers be able to purchase Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard?
                  A:
                  Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard will remain available through the OEM channel until December 31, 2013, and will remain available in all other current channels until June 30, 2013.

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                  • #10
                    Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

                    I know this thread is a little old, but really the tears are over nothing.
                    Windows Essentials 2012 will integrate with Exchange 2013 giving you the single console and user setup, therefore the only thing to hope for is that Microsoft price a pack of SBS Essentials, Windows Server and Exchange, with the relevant CALs at a decent price.

                    Then the SBS community will have to learn to use virtual machines. With the price of hardware what it is, you can get a chassis that can run both machines quite easily. I have already built a proof of concept using virtual machines for these two roles, plus a firewall, plus a monitoring appliance.

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                    • #11
                      Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

                      Sembee
                      I can't agree with you fully on this one. Not only do you have to hope that MS price the package correctly for the SMB market, you have to hope that setting up the VMs is as easy as setting up SBS is/was - or the integrators will have to be just that - integrators and charge accordingly.
                      I am sure that MS still doesn't understand this market, I am sure that not all SBS customers will rush to sign up to Office 365, and, unless MS has strategically decided to leave this market, that your solution, whilst technically suitable, will not be so, commercially.
                      TIA

                      Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
                      http://www.wintra.co.il/
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                      • #12
                        Re: With Deep Sorrow and Regret

                        Installing VMWARE on to hardware that is compatible is just a matter of downloading the ISO and booting from it. All you have to give it is an IP address, root password an that is it. Takes 10 minutes, tops. There are a few additional tweaks you can make. Then install the Windows products from ISOs or the DVD (ISO is much quicker).

                        There is a lot of finger crossing going on about the pricing of the replacement product.

                        I think Microsoft do understand the market well enough, and they want more of it by forcing people to the cloud. There is a thought inside Microsoft by some that if you have less than 100 people you shouldn't be using your own servers, it should all be in the cloud. Whether that is valid or not, is a different matter, but that is what Microsoft feel.

                        As for commercial viability of the solution I have proposed, as long as the product is priced correctly, it works very well. I have it already built here at home on pre-release versions, and it just needs the pricing to verify the validity of the solution.

                        If you want something on a single box, then you are looking at outside Microsoft for email. I am quite a fan of SmarterMail, but their minimum purchase is 250 mailboxes. If they sold a solution with all functionality on 25-70 mailboxes then I would be putting it in all over the place. It has ActiveSync support and that is all a lot of small businesses want over and above POP3.

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