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    I have a windows 2003 Small Business Serverv(server1) with Exchange 2003 and an Intranet Site. I want to move the exchange, intranet and fsmo roles and GC.

    I setup a new windows 2003 server standard edition.(DC02) I promoted it to a DC and installed Exchange 2k3 with all the latest updates.

    I have done this in the past but there was down time. I would like to know if there is a way to move all the mailboxes, Public Folders etc. with minimal downtime. Also the clients connect with outlook to server1.domain.local

    what are the steps to move all of this so that when the users open outlook they dont have to reconfigure it.

    Also for the intranet site im am not familar with this can this be moved over or is there something needed from the small business server software?

    thanks in advance.

  • #2
    Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

    with sbs, you cannot move FSMO or GC roles.
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    • #3
      Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

      Unless you use the transition pack to retire SBS completely...

      You can have additional GCs, as long as the SBS stays as one.

      Begs the question, why go to all the licensing expense of setting up an additional Exchange Server (will SBS CALs support it)?
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      • #4
        Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

        nope - if you migrate from SBS to a full exchange solution, you need to pay to buy the exchange licenses. So you need the Server licence, the Exchange SErver licence, and the CALs for Exchange for each user.


        there's a special license pack you can buy to change all your sbs products to full versions..
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        • #5
          Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

          i have purchased new licenses for all the software. so now can i still move everything over and then remove the sbs? The licenses that i have are for 2k8 and exchange 2010 but i dont not want to upgrade until i know this server is up and running ok. then i will eventually upgrade. For now i need to stay with 2003.

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          • #6
            Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

            No - you cannot simply install a new DC, and migrate the FSMO roles over to it.

            You must build a new domain, or buy the transition pack or similar.
            The domain will go nuts on you.

            take a look at this link:
            http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555073

            I think Yuval is also a member on this forum..

            see this for things that could happen
            http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925652
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            • #7
              Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

              So what do you recommend me do. I have a SBS 2003 that the mobo had blown caps all over it. (shocked that it still works) the processor is an AMD that is runnning constantly at 75 + % the memory is almost maxed cause of SQL. I have 14 clients in this domain.

              What would be easier?

              a. demote the new 2003 standard server , unistall exchange and then run dcpromo and create a new domain. Then manually reconnect all the clients over.

              b. go to sbsmigration.com and purchase their setup.

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              • #8
                Re: Replace a DC with Exchange

                Lots of over complicating things here.

                If the server is alive, build the new machine, make it a GC/DC and then do a standard swing migration of Exchange, leaving Exchange running on the old server. Then the clients will migrate automatically.
                Once all clients have connected once, you can then remove the SBS server in the usual way, uninstalling Exchange, move the FSMO roles and then shut it down.

                No need to use the SBSmigration route because you are going to full product.

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                • #9
                  Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                  Sembee can you explain how to do a standard swing migration. I am currently setting up a virtual test environment to test this.


                  thanks every one for your input.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                    Is this what you are talking about. Here is what i found


                    In a nutshell:
                    1. Build a temporary server (call it TempDC, for example) and promote it to a domain controller on the existing SBS domain using DCPROMO.
                    2. After replication has occurred, (How do i know replication is finished)take TempDC offline and seize all the FSMO roles using the NTDSUTIL application. With a bit of additional cleanup,(What additional Cleanup is required) TempDC will be THE operations master for the domain and will have no record of any other domain controllers on the network.
                    3. Build your new server (the one that you want to ultimately contain SBS and Exchange Server), ( I want to get away from SBS and go with a full 2003 exchange server is that the same) and give it the same computer name as the original SBS, join it to the domain hosted by TempDC and then promote it to a domain controller.
                    4. Once again, go through steps similar to #2. Take the new server offline, seize all the FSMO roles and do your additional cleanup.
                    5. Upgrade the new server to SBS 2003.(I will be going to a standard 2k3 server so what does this mean) When complete, you will have an exact replica of the original SBS in terms of Active Directory.
                    6. Copy the Exchange databases from the original server to the new server, and then mount them using Exchange System Manager. ( I would assume they meant to copy original to external drive then put on new server)Now you have not only a replica of the original domain controller in terms of AD, but also with respect to Exchange Server.
                    When this is finished how can i see if this has gone smoothly i dont want to find out a day later that this didnt go well and now i need to recreate the entire domain.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                      There is no reason to seize anything.
                      The method you have posted is high risk. There is no need to do that.

                      As long as you take your time, it can all be done with zero downtime, zero risk to the data.
                      The only thing you have to worry about is that you cannot use the same server name as the current server.

                      For the Exchange swing migration section, see my guide here:
                      http://www.amset.info/exchange/migration.asp

                      As long as you work within the restrictions of SBS (which is quite simple) the migration can go through without a hitch.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                        what about the fsmo roles? I read your article but that only applies to the exchange part.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                          If you want the same server name in the same domain (as you have indicated you do) then you need to use the Swing Method you have alluded to from sbsmigration.com.
                          As you have already outlined you have most of the steps to achieve that but the questions you ask are answered in the swing migration kit. Stump up for the kit and get Jeff Middleton to support you if you still need help included in the price. BTW you will still have Exchange to upgrade when you finish, as the kit usually gives you the migration to 2003 or 2007 and not 2010 - unless Jeff has released a new section I haven't heard of yet!
                          TIA

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                          • #14
                            Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                            i never said i wanted the same name. From what im reading is that you cant transfer the roles from a sbs to a standard server.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Replacing an SBS Server with Full Product

                              Originally posted by daniel5455 View Post
                              Is this what you are talking about. Here is what i found


                              [3]Build your new server (the one that you want to ultimately contain SBS and Exchange Server), ( I want to get away from SBS and go with a full 2003 exchange server is that the same) and give it the same computer name as the original SBS, join it to the domain hosted by TempDC and then promote it to a domain controller.
                              I underlined what you wrote!

                              You can transfer the roles from the SBS to another DC - for the purposes of migration. What happens is it limits you in time to do the migration, because after the time limit, the SBS will shut down automatically once an hour. So, if you complete your migration within the time limit and successfully REMOVE SBS from the domain, then you won't have the problem.
                              TIA

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