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  • New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

    My client have 1 site with SBS 2003 (20 Users).

    I need to setup new branch.

    They will be setup with VPN between 2 Vigor routers.

    The new site will have 15 users.

    I am going to put another srv 2003 that will be second DC to the same domain.

    I am not sure if what to put in the new branch another exchange or not and if yes how to set it up.

    The users in the new branch probly will be able to access thier emails thru the VPN on the SBS or to access their email with outlook over http.

    The VPN is with 2 adsl connections (so not fast connection)

    so my questions are:

    on the new branch what to put?

    optin 1 Just DC
    option 2 DC with Exchange (not sure how to setup second exchange)
    option 3 ???????


    Thanks,

    Kmaimon

  • #2
    Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

    You can't have a second DC in an SBS environment. It's a one server solution only.

    I don't know if you can have a second Exchange server, I've never tried it, although I wouldn't recommend it anyway in this setup even if it is allowed. Exchange needs access to a DC/GC so if the WAN link was down you'd have no Exchange anyway.

    You can have a member server in SBS though, so that might be the best option for files and apps in the branch office. I'd configure all the Outlook clients for RPC over HTTPS so you don't lose email access if the VPN is down.
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    • #3
      Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

      Thanks for you respond.

      You can have a 2nd exchange with SBS, but I wouln't apply it here.

      I will go for the first option and will have DC and outlook over http.

      Is there anywere in Petri forum a guid how to setup SBS 2003 to enable RPC over HTTPS?

      Regards,

      Kobi

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      • #4
        Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

        As I said, you can't have a second DC in an SBS environment, it is not allowed.

        Here's the guide on RPC over HTTP(S) from the main site. SBS is pretty much identical, the only other thing to configure is ISA publishing if you are using SBS Premium.
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        • #5
          Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

          Originally posted by cruachan View Post
          As I said, you can't have a second DC in an SBS environment, it is not allowed.
          Yes you can....
          http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/arch.../09/11532.aspx

          However, the SBS should have all the FSMO roles.
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          • #6
            Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

            Originally posted by Dumber View Post
            Yes you can....
            http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/arch.../09/11532.aspx

            However, the SBS should have all the FSMO roles.
            Dammit, wrong again.

            I'm surprised at this though, everybody has always said SBS is one DC only, including more than one MS technician that I've had to speak to in that time.

            Anyway, opinion revised to DC in the branch office with a site-to-site VPN and I'd still use RPC over HTTPS for exchange access.
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            • #7
              Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

              I've implemented this several times with exactly the configuration Cruachan suggests:
              DC replicating over VPN and offering the branch office:
              DHCP, DNS, WINS, File and Printing

              Exchange on the SBS either via RPC/HTTPS or direct over the VPN

              All works like a charm
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              • #8
                Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                Originally posted by cruachan View Post
                Dammit, wrong again.

                I'm surprised at this though, everybody has always said SBS is one DC only, including more than one MS technician that I've had to speak to in that time.
                One of the top three myths of SBS: it's a misquote of a SBS is a single domain/forest solution; no child domains and no trusts. I suppose you could have 75 DC's theoretically (each one uses a CAL)
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                • #9
                  Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                  Originally posted by cruachan View Post
                  Dammit, wrong again.

                  I'm surprised at this though, everybody has always said SBS is one DC only, including more than one MS technician that I've had to speak to in that time.
                  Then the MS technician was incorrect
                  But indeed, it's one of the biggest myths.
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                  • #10
                    Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                    Thanks for your replies.

                    It was a big help.

                    Just for my knowledge how do 2 exchange can work together with the same internet domain from 2 locations?

                    How do I set up MX records?

                    Regards,

                    Kobi

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                    • #11
                      Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                      Originally posted by teiger View Post
                      One of the top three myths of SBS: it's a misquote of a SBS is a single domain/forest solution; no child domains and no trusts. I suppose you could have 75 DC's theoretically (each one uses a CAL)
                      Hmm, I was under the impression that although it can be done, it wasn't supported and it was in breach of the EULA!!

                      However, adding an additional DC (Not SBS) in an existing SBS domain or adding a SBS DC in an existing (not SBS) domain was both supported.
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                      • #12
                        Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                        Huh? L4Andy, I think we have the wires crossed here. One SBS, as many DC's as necessary, no breach of EULA - that is what we are talking about.

                        For MX records: make only one server authoratative for the domain, and in that server there is a setting "Forward unresolved addresses to:" where you put in the other branch server. I don't remember where that setting is, but you should find it either in Exchange System Manager or by

                        However, I would like to add my weight (?) to the others suggestions here. That is to use just one server for exchange for ALL users, and those in one of the branch offices will connect by Outlook Anywhere aka RPC over HTTPS.
                        Last edited by teiger; 23rd November 2009, 16:44. Reason: Update
                        TIA

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                        • #13
                          Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                          Sorry Kmaimon if this is gone slightly offtopic.

                          Steven,

                          I think I have missinterpreted your quote.
                          I though you were referring to the SBS restrictions (No trust, No hierarchial domains and single SBS server) as Myths?

                          Cheers
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                          • #14
                            Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                            Not a problem, more info is only better.

                            Thanks to all.

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                            • #15
                              Re: New Branch Office to existing SBS 2003

                              So tell us what you did in the end. I'm sure we'll all be disappointed
                              TIA

                              Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
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