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  • Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

    Hello,

    I need info for how to Upgrade an existing SBS 2000 to SBS 2008 Premium 32-bit.
    I want to install a 2nd server with SQL to migrate our ERP.

    More info about our current server.
    Hardware: PowerEdge 2800
    2 CPU Intel Xeon Model 3 Stepping 4, 3000 MHz, clock 800 MHz
    4 Gb RAM
    8 HDD (4 in RAID 1)
    #1 : OS, Temp.DB (3 partitions)
    #2 : payroll system (1 partition)
    #3 : SQL Databases ERP (2 partitions)
    #4 : Backup, SwapFile (2 partitions)

    The SBS 2000 it's running:
    * Interbase/Firebird for payrol system (this will stay in the old server)
    * SQL Server Standard (for ERP) take out to the new server.
    * Printers
    * Active Directory, DNS, Statics IP for the users and printers, DHCP but not used
    * Antivirus + Software for Tape Backup (*)

    (*) If need it I can Uninstall Software to have a easier upgrade.

    Can somone point me to and give me advice for:
    1.- ŅTutorial or documentation to upgrade the current SBS2000 to SBS2008?
    2.- What are the RAM limits with SBS 2008 that I can use in:
    a) Our current PowerEdge 2800. Ņcan handle more RAM?
    b) Possible New Server at least: Dual Core Xeon Processor X5270, I want 8Gb RAM,
    but DELL representative tell me that SBS2008 32-bit can't handle more than 4GB of RAM. It's true?


    I want to upgrade the PE2800 from SBS2000 to SBS2008 Premium and Buy a new server to install SQL Server + CALs premium.
    I don't plan to migrate SBS2000 to another server.


    My Best Regards and Thanks In Advance.

    Enrique

  • #2
    Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

    You can't upgrade from SBS 2000 standard to SBS 2008 premium.
    Here are the upgrade paths: http://www.microsoft.com/wess/en/us/...-overview.aspx

    and system requirements: http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/s...uirements.aspx

    Ta
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    • #3
      Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

      Thanks L4ndy for the link and info.

      I wonder what version we have. The retail box is in Spanish, but don't said nothing about Standard or Premium.

      The components included in this retail box are:
      MS Windows Server 2000
      MS Exchange 2000 Server
      MS ISA 2000
      MS SQL Server 2000
      Servicio de fax compartido
      Servicio de modem compartido
      MS Management console 1.2
      MS Outlook 2000
      MS Frontpage 2000
      MS IE 5.01

      I think is premium. I found this link the box and CDs looks the the same:

      http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.co/...al-premium-_JM

      Sorry, if the link in forbidden to put here, I can edit later and delete it.
      Thanks for the info.

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      • #4
        Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

        Standard and Premium were only introduced with SBS 2003. SBS 2000 is the equivalent of Premium as it contains both ISA and SQL. And no 32-bit version of 2008 either!

        Also there is no direct migration path from 2000 to 2008 - though you could do a form of Swing Migration to preserve your AD.
        Last edited by teiger; 23rd March 2009, 17:29. Reason: Enhance Clarity
        TIA

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        • #5
          Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

          Originally posted by teiger View Post
          Standard and Premium were only introduced with SBS 2003. SBS 200 is the equivalent of Premium as it contains both ISA and SQL. And no 32-bit version either!

          Also there is no direct migration path from 2000 to 2008 - though you could do a form of Swing Migration to preserve your AD.
          I know I've got a few limitations when it comes to SBS but according to this: http://www.microsoft.com/wess/en/us/...-overview.aspx
          There is clearly a Standard and Premium SBS 2000

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          • #6
            Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

            What do you think Steven, someone at Microsoft took the wrong medication (or too much of it)?
            1 1 was a racehorse.
            2 2 was 1 2.
            1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
            2 2 1 1 2

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            • #7
              Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

              There is already a bug report in to Microsoft to fix that page .

              THERE IS ONLY ONE VERSION OF SBS2000 !

              Server 2000
              Exchange2000
              ISA2000
              SQL2000
              Outlook2000
              Frontpage200x

              are the licenses included. Of course there are other facilities like IIS, Fax Server, Health Monitor etc which are part of the above licensed products.
              TIA

              Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
              http://www.wintra.co.il/
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              • #8
                Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

                Thanks for the info.

                mmh, really MS Team need to review the info, from this page:
                http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/upgrade.aspx
                - - - - - I found - - - - -
                Migration Options
                For Windows Small Business Server 2008, the migration options are as follows:

                You are currently running:
                Windows Small Business Server 2000 Premium
                Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium
                Windows Small Business Server 2003 (R2) Premium

                You can upgrade to:
                Windows Small Business Server 2008 Premium
                Windows Essential Business Server 2008 Premium
                - - - - -
                Clearly, they write W.S.B. Server 2000 Premium

                So, I believe that I have this product. ... I wonder if I can install the OS & SQL portion on a new hardware server

                But... the floppy disk with CALs of SBS is "burned" when the CALs are installed, maybe (I hope) the CALs are not need it to install the OS + SQL portions on a second server, and only added/joined to the domain.

                Any thoughts?

                I feel that I become crazy now...

                DELL swear that I can't use more of 4Gb of RAM with SBS 2008 Premium, but the page on the next link says something that confuses me.
                http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/s...uirements.aspx

                Processor.Recommended:
                2 GHz (x64 processor) or faster for single core
                1.5 GHz or faster for multi-core
                Memory.Recommended:
                Minimum: 4 GB RAM
                * Maximum: 32 GB !!!
                Available Disk Space.Recommended: Minimum: 60 GB
                Fax Modem.Recommended: Fax Services require fax modem

                ADITIONAL SERVER
                Processor.Recommended: 2 GHz (x86 and x64 processors)
                Memory.Requirement:
                Recommended: 2 GB RAM
                * Maximum 32 GB (x64) or 4GB (x86) !!!!
                Available Disk Space.Requirement: Minimum: 10 GB, Recommended: 40 GB

                I ask a Quote to DELL for one PowerEdge 2900 with (1) Quad Core Xeon Processor E540 2x6MB Cache and 8GB RAM

                This kind of processor qualify to x64 or x86 ???

                Please someone illuminate me and vanish my doubts ... :'(

                [teiger]...
                You wrote: there is no direct migration path from 2000 to 2008 - though you could do a form of Swing Migration to preserve your AD.

                Can you point me to info about how to do this?

                I wonder if after the Swing Migration, I'll need to re-install all the software ?, of course, I have only SQL, Firebird, User Files and Printers running on this server, and some task schedulled.
                7 years ago, I try to use Exchange, but everytime, Exchange put the server on his knees, so, after two trys to get it running smoothly, I surrender and left out this portion of SBS.

                Thanks in advance.
                Last edited by elavionediaz; 26th March 2009, 23:58. Reason: adding more info

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                • #9
                  Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

                  Originally posted by elavionediaz View Post
                  DELL swear that I can't use more of 4Gb of RAM with SBS 2008 Premium, but the page on the next link says something that confuses me.
                  http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/s...uirements.aspx
                  You're Dell rep is, unfortunately, misinformed. SBS 2008 Standard and Premium can indeed handle more than 4GB of RAM. I've done several installs of Premium Edition on a machine with 8GB of RAM and it worked just fine. Of course, you'll need 64 bit CPUs, but it's almost impossible to get 32 bit server hardware these days.

                  Originally posted by elavionediaz View Post
                  I ask a Quote to DELL for one PowerEdge 2900 with (1) Quad Core Xeon Processor E540 2x6MB Cache and 8GB RAM

                  This kind of processor qualify to x64 or x86 ???
                  That processor is x64 (or x86-64 compliant, to be specific). Check out the Xeon wikipedia page and look at your model number. The 5400 series has the Intel 64 instruction set... meaning it's 64 bit.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

                    Nonapeptide

                    You are a lifesaver!!! Thanks for the info.

                    I don't have this kind of trouble when I get my first PE2800, lucky me, but now, the DELL rep, only want to sell the more expensive hardware/software that we don't need .

                    Total, my boss send me to the tar pits, until I can explain why we need another server... He 1st told me to buy one, and now, I need to justify the whole thing.

                    Time to dig more in wikipedia and pray to not buy something wrong.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

                      First of all, you COULD run it in one server - just get plent of RAM (12-16GB) Install Server 2008 from the premium and add the Hyper-V Role Then you can install the SBS main server as a virtual server. This is an MS supported scenario.

                      Why you have had problems with exchange beats me. The whole point of the SBS integrated setup is that it is SIMPLE to install exchange - you have virtually nothing to do. The "hard" part is, after it is setup, to run the Connect to the Internet wizard.
                      TIA

                      Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
                      http://www.wintra.co.il/
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                      • #12
                        Re: Upgrade current SBS 2000 with SBS 2008

                        Thanks teiger,

                        Yes is a mistery this issue.

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