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    Hello, I'm re-writing one private message, so I it helps other than me.
    I'll try polite, please forgive if my words are "blunt", my English is weak.

    Thanks and My apologies to gforceindustries. I was in a hurry to finish my test, so I can get a quote next week.

    I *marked* some corrections

    Hello Mr. Gareth Howells ( gforceindustries ).

    *Looking* in the web, I found your post/Reply #8
    There, you advice to join a w2k3 server member using the wizards, not using "My Computer > Properties" ("MyC - P").

    Years ago, I test some virtual w2k.server on vmware in our network, using "MyC - P", and I don't remember problems using this way.

    BTW. When we buy new PCs, we always join to sbs2k using "My Comp > Prop". We stop using the wizards because we don't see the advantage (on the clients PCs). This is a wrong?

    More info: our sbs2k have 50 CALs (the max allowed), and today I count 67 PC registered on the server, my users use the server's resources without problems. *67 registered BUT not active or connected actually*

    Please, I need your advice because:
    Our current server is sbs2000, serving as Domain Controller, IIS, database server (sqlserver2k & firebird), file storage and printer server. The load is big sometimes :I

    So, I need to evaluate a windows server 2003 (w2k3.test), our users on the sbs2k.server need to use two apps: ERP and Payrol running on sql server 2000 & Firebird.

    Their connections used,
    on the ERP: Windows NT integrated security
    Payroll: Internal user/password on the application

    I have one desktop PC for testing the w2k3 + sql2k8, and verify that users can connect without problem on the w2k3 server member and the sbs2k (for file storage and print documents).

    The work to do: backup our databases, install config apps, some clients for testing, etc.
    I wonder how to join the w2k3.test *WITHOUT* lost any function on my sbs2k.server and later, after finish the test *REMOVE* this w2k3.server.test forever, so I can propose the buy of the new Server/OS/Apps.


    I was planing to join the member server on the domain through "MyC - P", both test and production scenarios.

    If the new server is approved, the scenarios will be the same from test and production. Only that new server member will be here forever. Maybe later (if budget permits) upgrade/change the sbs2k to sbs2k[3,8] or w2k[3,8], but the old server will remain as Domain Controller, file, printer server.

    Thanks for your help in advance and sorry for my self.learned.English.
    Enrique


    ..... Now the answer
    gforceindustries wrote:
    You should post such questions to the forum.

    However, I will tell you the following.

    1) Yes it is against best practices (and Microsoft's documentation) to add computers and users to an SBS domain manually. Use the wizard.

    2) We do not tolerate piracy or breaches of licence agreements here - keep that in mind when posting, as by having 67 users with 50 licences, you are not compliant.
    -----
    Thanks!
    -----
    Without using the Chewbacca defense .

    1. If I understand, the wizards are used to enforce the CALs.

    2. We never meant to breach any Lic. Agreement, or pirate anything. But reading again seems that is our job to "check" that the server is not connected to more than 50 devices. LOL, I was expecting that w2ks show a warning when the limit was reached. Lucky us, the 67 devices ARE a historic list, less than 50 are actually active and the rest old PCs dead or outside our office and totally disconected of the sbs2k.

    But my questions remains the same:

    * Can I connect my TEST server to my sbs2k using "My Computer - Properties"?
    * If I got the new server, it can be added in the same way or why not?
    * The "best practices" to not use the "MyC - P", are only to control the Licenses or exists another BEST reason to do it ?

    Remember, I don't want to loose functions on my sbs2k. When we buy the new one, we will pay for the new hardware, the OS and SQL this is not little $money, and I need to be smart on this investment, my boss is ... wow.

    We test other solution in 2007, we use one a old Pentium3 server, install linux on it at make it work like file storage and printer server, it works good, but the old hardware was not reliable and damaged (reboots by itself) and we can't risk use it and loose user's files and time.

    Many Thanks for the help.
    Enrique
    Last edited by elavionediaz; 14th February 2009, 19:43. Reason: correcting words

  • #2
    Re: Help Add windows 2003 member server (eval) to sbs2000 domain then remove later

    RE the CALS, you are not out of compliance - just behind on your maintenance
    RE the server just UTFW - add the server with the Wizard, it does EVERYTHING you need for you and lets you remove it easily also. It gives you the correct security settings etc, etc, It really is time you got off a 10-year-old OS. Have you heard of SBS 2008
    TIA

    Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
    http://www.wintra.co.il/
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    • #3
      Re: Help Add windows 2003 member server (eval) to sbs2000 domain then remove later

      Thanks teiger.

      a) Yep, we are really behind of maintenance. We evaluate a lot of vista configurations to get our users working on out ERP it works poor, but the IRS's software is worse on vista that in XP, the list is flooded of test PCs, all gone.

      b) mmh the old sbs wizard, needs to create the setup on floppy, I just remember why I stop using it, what is a floppy?

      Maybe I can ask something more:

      b.2) about sbs2008, as I say before, I need another database server, the cost will be huge, right? I mean, apart the costs of the new hardware + OS & mssql.

      We need to buy MORE licenses for the new server, so the users can connect on the ERP migrated on the new server? Or exists a legal way to be legal and reduce costs?

      This is the scenario, that I need to quote to my boss.
      actual.server1.sbs2k : users : newserverB.w2k3.sql
      $0 : $0 : $ hardware + os + sql + Ņhow many licenses?
      I don't have 50 users connected on the ERP, I count 27 with access rights.

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      • #4
        Re: Help Add windows 2003 member server (eval) to sbs2000 domain then remove later

        Buy SBS 2008 Premium. I don't remember the costs rights now, but let's say $1800 for 5 Users. For that you get TWO Windows server 2008 licenses- one for SBS and one for an extra server that you can put SQL 2005/2008 licenses included in. Now you need another 22 PREMIUM CALS (=27-5 that come with server) that I don't know the cost of. Finally any others need STANDARD CALS and then you are in compliance.

        Just to recap; SBS 2008 Premium is a TWO SERVER solution: SBS which has server 2008 license, Exchange 2007 license and 5 PREMIUM CALS plus a second server license which can be Server 2003 or 2008 and SQL Server 2005 or 2008.

        Hope that is clear now
        TIA

        Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
        http://www.wintra.co.il/
        sigpic
        Iím honoured to have been selected for the SMB 150 list for 2013. This is the third time in succession (no logo available for 2011) that I have been honoured with this award.

        We donít stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.

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        • #5
          Re: Help Add windows 2003 member server (eval) to sbs2000 domain then remove later

          Thanks teiger you are crystal clear. And I can see clearly now.

          Wow I'm glad that sbs2008 premium allow the use in two servers.
          I hope this make a better scenario to my boss.

          Now I hope DELL, (hardware + os) can provide the support to migrate our old sbs2k to sbs2k8... time to ask them.

          ahhhh please forgive this new questions:
          If we buy sbs2008 with 27 premium and 23 standard CALS, and install two servers: server1.DC, server2.sql.

          My new worry is: If I get short of premium CALs, but I need to connect more than 27 Premium users to server2.sql, before the buy of more premium CALs is done. The standard CALs/users can connect to server2.sql ?
          I think it's not in compliance, but in a real scenario, we need time before buy the new CALS and the users need connect to work.

          And last, 75 Licenses is the final limit?. MS can raise this limit in a future? I hope not need more than 50 users because our office is really small.

          And I need to cover this possible scenarios.

          Thanks again.. this place is amazing, I need to tell to my friends.

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          • #6
            Re: Help Add windows 2003 member server (eval) to sbs2000 domain then remove later

            Not sure what you are saying, but if you have 27 peole total, you don't need morew than 27 User CALS in any situation. You already got 5 with the server, so you need to buy 22 more for those that access the Database (ERP, SQL, whatever). Any others who need only access the regular server/Exchange can have Standard CALS at a lower cost.
            BTW don't rely on DELL to do your migration for you - hire a consultant in your area. DELL make excellent hardware but are not System Integrators and definitely NOT SBS specialists. Look up SBSC on the Microsoft site for your area and/or get recommendations.
            TIA

            Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
            http://www.wintra.co.il/
            sigpic
            Iím honoured to have been selected for the SMB 150 list for 2013. This is the third time in succession (no logo available for 2011) that I have been honoured with this award.

            We donít stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.

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            • #7
              I can't join Windows 2003 member server (eval) to sbs2000 domain via wizards

              Many thanks teiger for answer my questions. Very good advices.

              I ask some complicated things, that maybe looks like piracy :O, but I don't meant that.

              I only need to add that I was unable to join via wizards to w2k3 server.
              I manage to install w2k3 server + sql server 2008 (evals), but I can't connect validate to the sql server 2008/w2k3 from my PC or others.

              My two attempts was:
              1st) I join to the domain via "MY PC - Prop", it was successful, I restore the database, from the w2k3, I can connect to databases using our two .udl, or enterprise manager. But, from my XP-PC, I see the w2k3.sqlserver but I can't connect with any .udl or with enterprise manager to sql server 2008.
              NOTE: On my XP-PC I don't have installed none sql 2008 tools on my XP-PC only the 2000 sql server tools.

              2nd) I unjoin the w2k3, now I'm in WORKGROUP, when I restart I get one error: "At least one service or driver failed during system startup. Use Event Viewer to examine the event log for details." this don't worry me.
              Then I use the floppy setup created by the wizard on the sbs2k. The floppy disk setup have 5 files: setup.exe, netparam.ini, ipdx86x.exe, ipdetect.exe, ipd2000.exe.

              When I run the setup I get this message (in spanish)
              "No puede configurar la conectividad de red de windows 2000 server desde el disco de instalacion de red de small business server"
              - "You can not configure network connectivity from windows 2000 server installation disk network of Small Business Server"

              I wonder if there are any other wizard or what is the rigth thing to do.


              ::: Maybe it's time to re-format-install this PC-test again. But I'll make a ghost image to test and test until I get it.

              Thank again, my best regards.

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              • #8
                I can connect to w2k3.sqlserver2008 !

                First, many thanks for all the advice given.

                sbs2k.server = "S000", is my current domain with sqlserver2000
                w2k3.eval.server = "S001', is the server member with sqlserver2008 (both evaluation ed)

                I join S001 to S000 domain via "My Computer - Properties", I didn't found any other tool-wizards-tip to join S001 to S000 domain. MS support is hard to search for the old sbs2k information, I found recipes to add w2k3 to sbs2003, but not to sbs2000. And is the same that I use, I wonder why here the only advice is for UTFW, seems to me that the sbs2k3.wizards equivalent not exists in our old sbs2k. This was the better approach that I found http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327662 but don't work to me.

                But, the cause of my problems was that: The protocol "Named Pipes" are disabled on sqlserver2008.

                And other mistake was that, I install S001 on english language, but sqlserver2008 ended in spanish language installed. Some advices found it in other posts tell about "SQL Server Configuration Manager" to verify this protocol, but my brain can't translate and I not found the tool. So today, fooling arround I found this in: "My Computer - Manage - Services and Applications - SQL Server Configuration Manager"... I enable the protocol and I can connect to S001.sql .

                Ok, the test continues, and I config some other tools to check if our ERP works 100% on S001. So far I can connect to our S001.IIS to get the ActiveX controls and I can work on the S001.sql.ERP.test, the restore lost some permisions from the users/group need it, so I need to test more, so the users can't erase things when someday the production server is here.
                Wow sqlserver2008 looks good (even on the S001 - a desktop PC) I want it.

                Now I'm afraid of the task to migrate sbs2k to the new sbs2k3 or sbs2k8.
                The option of get two servers buying sbs2kX.premium is really tempting.

                Regards.
                Last edited by elavionediaz; 25th February 2009, 00:26.

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