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    Originally posted by Microsoft
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    Microsoft Announces Public Preview and Pricing for Windows Essential Server Solutions Customers and partners begin evaluating pre-release versions of
    Windows Small Business Server 2008 and Windows Essential Business Server 2008.

    Related Links Microsoft Resources:
    Multiply Your Power Web site
    Small Business Server 2003 Rebate Offer Web site
    Microsoft Windows Essential Server Solutions Web site
    Windows Essential Server Solutions Virtual Pressroom

    REDMOND, Wash. May 13, 2008 Customers and Microsoft Corp. partners can now visit http://www.MultiplyYourPower.com to find out how to evaluate pre-release versions of Windows Essential Server Solutions for small and midsize companies: Windows Small Business Server 2008 and Windows Essential Business Server 2008. Microsoft also today announced pricing for both solutions.

    By combining Microsoft technologies such as Windows Server 2008, Exchange Server 2007, SQL Server 2008 and other Microsoft products and services into all-in-one IT solutions, Windows Essential Server Solutions help businesses improve efficiency, increase productivity and drive growth. The solutions also are ideal for technology
    advisors serving the increasingly sophisticated IT needs of small and midsize customers.

    "Small and midsize companies are looking for many of the same IT capabilities and benefits as those sought by large enterprises," said Ray Boggs, vice president Small/Medium Business Research at IDC. "But the technology has to be delivered as part of simpler, integrated and more affordable solutions for organizations with minimal IT staffs and resources. And of course it helps if solutions are also tailored to meet the needs of technology consultants that often work with those small and midsize firms."

    Beta Program Participants Already Seeing Value

    A number of customers and partners already have been privately testing Windows Essential Server Solutions, providing valuable feedback to Microsoft. They already are reporting great benefits, too.

    Sumeeth Evans is director of IT for Collegiate Housing Services, a company that coordinates student housing for colleges. He said, "With Essential Business Server 2008, our administrative workload is one-tenth of what it was before. This is the largest step forward we have ever seen in terms of our ability to focus technology on real business needs."

    Dave Benson is founder and chief financial officer of Epicurean Cutting Surfaces, which creates popular kitchen cutting boards and utensils using sustainable materials. He said, "Small Business Server 2008 is advanced software that eliminates a lot of wasted time and allows us to focus on our business goals and to sell globally."

    Erik Thorsell, president of Success Computer Consulting in Minneapolis, said, "Small Business Server 2008 and Essential Business Server 2008 are both designed with me and my clients in mind. They make it easy for me to give my customers the freedom to work effectively from home or on the road."

    Solutions Designed and Priced for Small and Midsize Businesses

    Slated for general availability later this year, Windows Essential Server Solutions are much easier for small and midsize companies to implement and manage than separate products. In response to customer and partner feedback, Windows Essential Server Solutions provide flexible pricing and licensing that offer substantial cost savings over purchasing individual products like those included in the solutions. Examples of licensing improvements over the current Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 product include these:

    Customers will be able to purchase single client access licenses (CALs), so they will pay only for the exact number of employees using the product.
    Customers can cost-effectively purchase a mix of Standard or Premium CALs, as appropriate to the technologies that individual employees are using.
    CALs now apply to other copies of Windows Server, SQL Server or Exchange Server on the network, eliminating the need to purchase additional CALs.

    Also, Small Business Server 2008 Premium Edition includes additional Windows Server 2008 Standard technologies with SQL Server 2008 Standard Edition for Small Business, making it an ideal platform for critical business applications.

    Windows Essential Server Solutions pricing* is as follows:

    Windows Small Business Server 2008 Standard Edition software, including five CALs, $1,089 (U.S.); additional CALs $77 each (U.S.)
    Windows Small Business Server 2008 Premium Edition software, including five CALs, $1,899 (U.S.); additional CALs $189 each (U.S.)
    Windows Essential Business Server 2008 Standard Edition software, including five CALs, $5,472 (U.S.); additional CALs $81 each (U.S.)
    Windows Essential Business Server 2008 Premium Edition software, including five CALs, $7,163 (U.S.); additional CALs $195 each (U.S.)

    Microsoft also today announced rebates of up to $200 (U.S.) for solution provider partners configuring Windows Small Business Server 2003 R2 for their clients who acquire the software and purchase Software Assurance within a certain time period. With Software Assurance, customers will receive the upgrade to Small Business
    Server 2008 at no additional cost when it is available, as well as access to support, tools and training. Terms and conditions of the rebates are available at http://www.SBSrebate.com.

    More information about the products, pricing and beta customer feedback is available at http://www.microsoft.com/ess.
    More information for journalists is available at http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...erversolutions.
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    Sorry can't provide a link as I am getting 404 errors from the original links.
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    2 2 1 1 2

  • #2
    Re: SBS 2008 & WEBS Pricing released.

    Biggles77 stole my thunder but is right on (as usual).
    I would like feedback on any/all of the prices here. It will be a part of an ongoing discussion I am having with MS, which was NDA until now. If people here feel about the announced prices, the way I do - I would like to take that back to Microsoft. And also, if the opposite is true! I think MS would definitely appreciate the feedback from us, the community.
    Last edited by teiger; 16th May 2008, 12:39. Reason: Syntax
    TIA

    Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
    http://www.wintra.co.il/
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    • #3
      Re: SBS 2008 & WEBS Pricing released.

      No word on OZ prices BUT we are hoping they don't use the same formula as calculating the MAPS subscription. We pay AUD$699 for MAPS or at the present exchange rate US$657. This can be purchased in the US for US$299!!! Big difference. TechNet is charged on a similar exploding scale.

      If MS try the same with SBS again then it has the benefit of driving customers well away from their products. They really need to scale the pricing inline with what the exchange rate in each country is doing and not just fix a price based on US$ price x 2.5 as in the case of Australia. (5 CALS for SBS2003 cost just under AUD$800. Just crazy! )
      1 1 was a racehorse.
      2 2 was 1 2.
      1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
      2 2 1 1 2

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      • #4
        Re: SBS 2008 & WEBS Pricing released.

        If you have a communication with Microsoft over pricing etc - tell them to do something about people buying SBS now. And I don't mean those stupid enough to buy it with SA (Subscription Advantage) (I consider SA a rip off, particularly for something like SBS - if you had SA when SBS was first released you got nothing for your money).

        The fact that the noise has started to be made about SBS 2008 has simply killed off most SBS deployments. Everyone is now on sit and wait. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some production systems running RC0 already (despite it being an RC only - it happens).

        I am aware that Microsoft have some scheme where SA is involved, but anyone using SA would get that anyway. What they need to target is those who are purchasing SBS now and not putting it in to SA. It is a struggle to get most small businesses to spend $30 on an SSL certificte, let alone trying to sell them SA as well.

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        • #5
          Re: SBS 2008 & WEBS Pricing released.

          Originally posted by Henry Craven SBS MVP
          For those of you with Windows Server 2008 Servers in your SBS 2003 Domain be aware of the following in the Server 2008 EULA
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          MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS
          MICROSOFT WINDOWS SERVER 2008, STANDARD
          <SNIP..>
          Originally posted by Microsoft
          Up through May 31, 2009, you may use either:
          - Windows Small Business Server (SBS) 2003 CALS; or
          - CALs for the next version of SBS following SBS 2003 R2
          instead of Windows Server 2008 CALs to access instances of the server software within an SBS domain.

          After that date, you may no longer use SBS CALs to access instances of the server software.

          Your CALs for the next version of SBS however, continue to permit access after May 31, 2009
          [Acquired from the Melbourne SBS Users Group (OZ) ]

          Well that makes things crystal clear as mud.
          1 1 was a racehorse.
          2 2 was 1 2.
          1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
          2 2 1 1 2

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          • #6
            Re: SBS 2008 &amp; WEBS Pricing released.

            Sembee

            SBS 2003 + SA costs you << less SBS2008 will do and if you are an MS partner, there is a $200 rebate you can pass on to the customer (or give him the work equivalent) at www.sbsrebate.com. So it really is a no-brainer at this stage of the game.

            Biggles77

            There are discussions going on with MS at this moment about that "clear as mud" statement. It arises from SBS2003 R2 giving you CAL rights to anyother server in the domain. However, MS are saying if you add Server 2008 to a 2003 domain, th eCAL rights are only good up until 31 May next year. Bit of a bummer, but I can see the sense from MS point of view.
            TIA

            Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
            http://www.wintra.co.il/
            sigpic
            Im honoured to have been selected for the SMB 150 list for 2013. This is the third time in succession (no logo available for 2011) that I have been honoured with this award.

            We dont stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.

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            • #7
              Re: SBS 2008 &amp; WEBS Pricing released.

              I am aware of the rebate, but that doesn't really help. The small business owner looks at one thing - the end price. If they are buying the machine from Dell and see it advertised at $999 they don't want to have to pay another $200 or whatever to get the new version in six months time. They will just sit and wait for the new version, knowing that they will get a new server and the new version of $999 then.

              US$200 is less than 100 here in the UK and I can pretty much guarantee that SA will be more than that! The concept of rebates etc is completely alien here in the UK - it simply doesn't exist like it does in the UK. Over here the attitude is I don't want a rebate, take it off the price.

              Another example of Microsoft not understanding the small business market - but then that is something that has been complained about for years.

              Simon.
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              • #8
                Re: SBS 2008 &amp; WEBS Pricing released.

                OK

                1) Don't buy the machine from DELL - they may understand the SMB space better than MS, but they don't understand the technology. Result - you end up reinstalling the server as it should have ben installed in the first place. Ergo higher cost unless you do it for free!
                2) You build them the "package" including the server - DELL if you like - you get the rebate and use it towards the cost of the SA. The customer gets SBS now and SBS in the next version. You get continuity of work also.
                3) I am not in the US either, and rebates don't exist here - you are expected to everything for nothing!!!
                TIA

                Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
                http://www.wintra.co.il/
                sigpic
                Im honoured to have been selected for the SMB 150 list for 2013. This is the third time in succession (no logo available for 2011) that I have been honoured with this award.

                We dont stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.

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                • #9
                  Re: SBS 2008 &amp; WEBS Pricing released.

                  Try telling a customer not to buy from Dell - it is an uphill struggle. I never trust OEM installations anyway - I always wipe and reinstall, doesn't matter whether it is a server, workstation or laptop. Dell ship all of their servers with a 12gb partition which is just a joke.

                  The whole price strategy is just stupid. It only becomes cheaper than SBS 2003 when you get to 23 or 24 users - I start talking about separate servers at 40!

                  There are some people (including inside Microsoft) who don't believe that anyone with less than 75 users should be hosting their own server - they should be using a hosted solution. Having seen the costs of hosted SBS (from Microsoft), I will probably agree with them.

                  Simon.
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                  • #10
                    Re: SBS 2008 &amp; WEBS Pricing released.

                    I don't know about UK pricing but we follow US pricing (more or less) and the break even point is ~10 users. 13 or 14 users is slightly more expensive, but 15 and upwards is definitely cheaper. Remember there are single CALs now instead of 5-packs.

                    As for hosting, I'd be a bit wary. There are good prices now, to get you started. But can you lock those prices down for the next 5 years? You could end up paying a LOT more if you are not careful. Plus, I have found few small businesses (5-25 users) who are willing to trust their data to the cloud!
                    TIA

                    Steven Teiger [SBS-MVP(2003-2009)]
                    http://www.wintra.co.il/
                    sigpic
                    Im honoured to have been selected for the SMB 150 list for 2013. This is the third time in succession (no logo available for 2011) that I have been honoured with this award.

                    We dont stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.

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                    • #11
                      Re: SBS 2008 &amp; WEBS Pricing released.

                      I was quoting on the US pricing, based on what I have read on the Connect Newsgroup for SBS 2008.

                      As for hosting - if you sign an agreement then the price can only be changed once a year, unless a new product is released. Microsoft are pushing everyone to hosting, so I don't think the price will change that much. And in five years the market could look very different.

                      Simon.
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                      Simon Butler
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