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  • Exchange 2007 is now RTM

    http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/20...07/431782.aspx
    Cheers,

    Daniel Petri
    Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
    MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

  • #2
    Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

    How do you compare it to Exchange 2003?
    1 1 was a racehorse.
    2 2 was 1 2.
    1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
    2 2 1 1 2

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    • #3
      Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

      You want the truth or the executive/sales mumbo jumbo crap?

      (in comes Sembee, slapping me)

      Cheers,

      Daniel Petri
      Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
      MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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      • #4
        Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

        Oh dear, that bad.
        1 1 was a racehorse.
        2 2 was 1 2.
        1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
        2 2 1 1 2

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        • #5
          Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

          so what is the truth about 2007 vs 2003?
          MCSE 2000 Done
          RHCE Done

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          • #6
            Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

            Nah, it's not THAT bad.

            It's worse!

            Now seriously, it's a totally new product, forget anything you ever knew about Exchange 2000/2003. Very steep learning curve. I've been using the beta since beta 1 and I am far, very far from knowing everything about it.

            I expect a lot of adaptation pain for a lot of customers, and a very shallow entry level for the product, when it is announced. I, for one, won't be telling my clients to rush and adopt it, unless they absolutely need one of the new features (like the cool Local Continuous Replication, or LCR).

            With time, of course, we all will be using it, smiling happily about what great products Microsoft creates. That's the effect electric shock therapy and a fast lobotomy operation has on people. And if enough blogs, news sites and conferences say the product is great and that it is a must have, then like with politics, it will indeed become a reality.

            Oh, let me hide fast before Sembee or Jim see this thread and come after me!

            LOL
            Cheers,

            Daniel Petri
            Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
            MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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            • #7
              Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

              I don't have any 64 bit hardware so I can't even have a look at it, sod it.
              1 1 was a racehorse.
              2 2 was 1 2.
              1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
              2 2 1 1 2

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              • #8
                Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                I'm sure the eval version will be in either 32 or 64 bit (seperate downloads), sure I read this on the exchange team blog.

                Waltz

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                • #9
                  Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                  Exchange 2007 is only available in 64 bit. - http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/...007-Part1.html

                  Have a look under Server-specific Requirements where it states Beta 2 was available in 32 bit version. I can't see MS making a special 32 bit Eval version. Seems like a lot of work for nothing, but i may be wrong.
                  1 1 was a racehorse.
                  2 2 was 1 2.
                  1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
                  2 2 1 1 2

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                  • #10
                    Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                    Actually Biggles, he is right. There will (probably) be a 32-bit version for testing scenarios, although it will be unsupported.
                    Cheers,

                    Daniel Petri
                    Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
                    MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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                    • #11
                      Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                      With my business head on its great.
                      A lot more complicated, which should mean lots more work for me.

                      I got my first one built in VMWARE on 32bit in about six hours - and it has been done correctly with an Edge server and all the trimmings.
                      Piles of downloads as well. Every time I tried the installation it asked for something else. I think I have a list of six or seven items to download for Windows 2003 SP1 (a few less for R2).

                      I have notes galore on the installation. I love One Note.

                      I have a 64 bit Dell Precision on order which should be here either tomorrow (Tues 19th) or Wednesday (20th). That is going in to my home production network and I will migrate myself across. Lots of notes will be taken, and there will be some blog posts and then a new migration article for my web site.
                      Trying to get my hands on a VOIP gateway to try with it as well.

                      From a clients point of view, there are a number of things...
                      The new OWA always wins prizes. Lovely flash demo here: http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/code/OWA/index.html

                      The fact that standard edition of E2007 is basically the same as Enterprise edition is also good news. Unlimited databases and four storage groups.

                      If you have a client with regulatory or compliance issues you will love some of the transport features.

                      Global rules... no more writing horrible event sinks.

                      I have only scratched the surface - it looks very powerful, it is going to take a little while to get to grips with exactly what it can do.

                      Note that the new E2007 CAL is just for Exchange - you do not get a license for Outlook as well. That may be seen as a downside to some people. You need to license Office.

                      However the cost of the standard CAL is less than the previous version. If you include the extra for the Enterprise CAL (which gives you forefront and the voicemail bits - UM) it is almost the same cost as Exchange 2003 CAL.

                      The new interface is going to take some getting used to, and I think there will be lots of posting of PowerShell commandlets, purely because the path to type out where to make the GUI change is going to take ages to type.

                      I also don't like the new message tracking interface. It uses the Troubleshooting assistant. One of the things I am going to try is whether the Exchange 2003 message tracking interface will work with E2007. If it will, then the tools will stay installed on one of my machines.

                      Hopefully some enterprising developer will knock something up in asp.net or similar and release it as open source/freeware (hint hint) and we can have the simple interface back. It was very useful for tracking replication messages and other things like that (yes I know we aren't supposed to have replication any more as public folders is "depreciated").

                      That will do for now. I am off to slap Daniel.

                      Simon.
                      --
                      Simon Butler
                      Exchange MVP

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                      • #12
                        Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                        Oh yes - I forgot one other thing.
                        The 32 bit eval version doesn't have the licence command. You cannot turn it in to a licensed version. So after 120 days, you have to remove it and start again.

                        Haven't tested to see whether that applies to the system tools as well. Another thing for the list.

                        Simon.
                        --
                        Simon Butler
                        Exchange MVP

                        Blog: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/
                        More Exchange Content: http://exchange.sembee.info/
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                        • #13
                          Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                          I knew I had it coming! Thanks Sembee!

                          Say, do you happen to know if the eval version (the 64 bit one) can be simply turned into non-eval by typing the right product key, or do you have to uninstall and reinstall, or what? I know that the fully licensed version turns into eval if you don't have the right product key, but I was wondering if it was the same the oher way around.
                          Cheers,

                          Daniel Petri
                          Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
                          MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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                          • #14
                            Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                            Originally posted by Sembee View Post
                            The new OWA always wins prizes. Lovely flash demo here: http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/code/OWA/index.html
                            The OWA interface looks pretty sweet. Almost like using Outlook. I didn't get through the whole demo yet but I did notice a few things that were remarkably "Gmail-esque"
                            -View attachment as HTML
                            -Sorting by conversation
                            -Address auto complete (though this may be more "Outlook-esque")

                            Is there anything changed with accessing Public Folders? I saw you allude to the fact that Public folders have been significantly changed or done away with.
                            Regards,
                            Jeremy

                            Network Consultant/Engineer
                            Baltimore - Washington area and beyond
                            www.gma-cpa.com

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                            • #15
                              Re: Exchange 2007 is now RTM

                              I heard through the grapevine that the address auto complete was one of the most requested features. It wasn't because it was in Gmail, but people missed it from Outlook.

                              Now waiting for the question about how to sync the auto complete entries in Outlook with OWA!

                              I haven't actually got Exchange 2007 on to 64 bit yet. My Dell Precision turned up with a SCSI card that isn't supported by Windows 2003 64 bit! So I am going to have to purchase a new SATA card and drives, so will not be able to answer the question conclusively until Thursday/Friday.

                              However on my 32bit eval, when I start the management console I get prompted that one or more servers are eval editions and asked to enter my key. There is also supposed to be a licence key wizard which simply allows you to enter the key and that is it. No install required. The wizard isn't available in the 32 bit eval.
                              If that is the case then Microsoft have really improved the eval to full product experience - which is about time.

                              The wizard is mentioned here:
                              http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro....mspx?mfr=true

                              I have now downloaded the DVD (5gb, of which 4gb is the languages for UM) and I notice that it has a place holder for updates. It looks like you will be able to slipstream Exchange as well.
                              Although I did hear that this version of Exchange features updates being applied as you go along - no waiting for service packs. That could prove very interesting.

                              Simon.
                              --
                              Simon Butler
                              Exchange MVP

                              Blog: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/
                              More Exchange Content: http://exchange.sembee.info/
                              Exchange Resources List: http://exbpa.com/
                              In the UK? Hire me: http://www.sembee.co.uk/

                              Sembee is a registered trademark, used here with permission.

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