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    I have been tasked with moving the current Exchange 2003 to a new server. The reason for the move is the current server that houses Exchange is old and failing (hardware). It is currently installed on Server 2003 with SP1. After searching the forums I found that this task itself isn’t that difficult, however we have a few extra services running on our Exchange that can complicate things.

    The Exchange server is a member of the domain and not a DC. We take advantage of OWA and also have BlackBerry Server v4 as well. In addition to that, we have a Unity tie in for our Cisco VoIP phones and are using GFI MailEssentials (spam filter). Obviously this is a bit more than just a typical Exchange move/migration.


    I guess my question is how do I go about this? After doing some research on the BlackBerry forums I found that what I want to do is a “knife-edge cutover” does that sound correct? Moving GFI MailEssentials shouldn’t be too much of a pain, I’m sure that is simple enough, though I haven’t researched it.

    Many things in this process are out of my control, I have no say in using GFI MailEssentials for example.

    It is also very important that I do this during off hours/weekends and I can not disturb day to day business. To top things off, most of our users work from home or are in and out of the office with their laptops. We use RPC over HTTPS on all of our remote clients.

    On a side note, eventually this server will be updated to a newer version of Exchange down the road so the new destination server is already running Server 2008 64bit.


    So to recap:

    From – Server 2003 SP1 Exchange 2003

    To – Server 2008 64bit Exchange 2003

    I am sorry this isn't put together better, but I hope it is clear enough for people to understand what I am asking. I would be happy to find more specific version #s or whatever information may be helpful.

    Thanks all

  • #2
    Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

    Forget about running Exchange 2003 on x64 operating system, not going to happen. If you want x64 operation system you have to use Exchange 2007 or 2010, if you want to use Exchange 2003 you have to use Windows 2003 x32.

    If this would be a task of mine, I would consider a migration to Exchange 2010.

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    • #3
      Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

      FischFra

      Thank you for a quick response. I just looked up the system requirements for Exchange 2003 and you are correct, no 64 bit support. Doh! I should have looked at that first!

      I spoke with my boss and he said he would rather go to Exchange 2007 instead of 2010. After a bit of Googling I found out that what I really want to do is a Transition http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...EXCHG.80).aspx

      So the new Exchange 2007 server would be brought up along side of the existing Exchange 2003 and then the mailboxes would be transfered, along with all the other 'stuff' that is running on our Exchange 2003 server.

      Does that sound correct?

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      • #4
        Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

        Basically, yes -- fairly straightforward and non-destructive
        Tom Jones
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        • #5
          Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

          Yes, a transition would do the trick, but are there any special reasons to use Exchange 2007 instead of 2010? Even without a servicepack (RollupFix 2 ist out right now) E2010 is definatly the better Exchange 2007.

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          • #6
            Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

            It would take some serious convincing to go with 2010 over 2007. Personally, I would rather go with 2010 however it is not my decision. I know that even going to 2007 with all its new features will be bit much, considering all of the client machines are still running Outlook 03. As far as I know, some of the new features require a newer version of Outlook to take advantage of them. Once again, if it were up to me I would move everyone to Office 07 and go straight to Exchange 2010.

            Another issue I found researching today is that our version of Unity (v4) isn't compatabile with Exchange 2007. More research shows that, yes, it can work, but with work arounds and it can cause problems with Message Waiting Indicators. Basically making that not an option. Here's the link to Cisco's site on that one:

            http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/...e3.shtml#migra


            On a side note though, I did stumble across (i'm a n00b and didn't know about this) the MS Exchange Best Practice Analyzer tool. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/e.../bb288481.aspx I ran that and found out my AD structure isn't in too bad of shape. Only a few kinks to work out, nothing I can't handle.

            Now if only BB and Cisco (Unity) had handy tools like that.

            Thanks again for everyone's help.

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            • #7
              Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (Blackberry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

              You can't buy Exchange 2007 any longer - so if you want to go to Exchange 2007 you would have to purchase Exchange 2010 and then use downgrade rights. Given the migration, there is no real reason to go to Exchange 2007 unless you have a specific feature that you want to use that is present in Exchange 2007 and not in 2010 (and I can only think of one, which will require an additional server).

              You are basically deploying a product that is already three years old, instead of 2010 which is only a few months old, rock solid. SP1 is in active development for that version already.

              You will also have to upgrade BES to version 5 if you want to install it on to Exchange 2007 as 4.x is not supported on a 64 bit OS. One option if you aren't using the IT policies would be to go to BES Express, which is supported on the same server as Exchange, whereas BES is not.

              Simon.
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              • #8
                Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                Sembee,

                Thanks for the post. I have done a bit more research and it appears as though upgrading from 2003 to 2007 or 2003 to 2010 is basically the same thing. All of my Exchange add-ons (Unity, BB) don't work in newer Exchange so the difference between 07 and 10 is the same. I just need to convince management of that.

                It would seem as though my entire project is going to be put on hold until I can upgrade my Cisco VoIP system to a newer version. That will just hold everything up. This just keeps getting better and better.

                I am stuck in this cyclic loop of upgrading. I need to upgrade Unity ($$$) to get a new Exchange server setup. However, I'm still stuck with the main reason that started all of this... my current Exchange is on dying hardware. It needs to be moved before the hardware totally gives out. When that server was purchased it was in a lot of 6 and so far of those 6, 3 have completely died and aren't worth dumping money into to fix. I have mobo's failing in all of them all starting with dying NICs and failing RAID cards (its cheap-o hardware that is old). These servers were purchased before my time and are off brand (lesson learned).

                It looks like I might just be stuck with moving my exchange to different hardware, leaving it as Server 03 and Exchange 03 just so I can get rid of this old crap server.

                If I had it my way, I would just blow the whole thing up and start fresh. Sadly, that isn't an option and I can not interupt business flow. Whatever I end up doing, has to be done during a weekend.

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                • #9
                  Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                  I took the idea of Exchange 2010 up the ladder and was shot down, hard. There is now way Exchange 2010 will happen, not in the next year. Period.

                  Ok, fine, im over Exchange 2010 (i hope everyone else is). We are a microsoft partner so getting Exchange 2007 isn't a big deal.

                  I was trying to find a specific list of Pros-Cons for Exchange 2007 vs 2003 and am having zero luck. Everything just redirects back to the Microsoft Exchange page. I can probably get management to go for new Unity, new BES and Exchange 2007 (which beats the pants off of old-school 03 and old school Unity/BES). But, in order to present my case I need to show them why they should spend the money to upgrade Unity and BES to make the move to Exchange 2007. All in all, this will be a costly upgrade and I need specific reasons to do so. Otherwise I just be moving the current Exchange 2003 to new hardware.


                  So my next question is, does anyone have a good comparison sheet? All the links i'm finding are dead. Also, should this be a new thread?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                    The reason you aren't finding Exchange 2007 content is because it is an old product. That is marketing information and marketing are going to ensure that the old version has been removed.

                    Being a partner or whatever doesn't make one bit of difference - the simple fact is that you cannot purchase Exchange 2007 any longer. It was removed from the price lists. You would have to use downgrade rights. No idea why your management would want to deploy an old product - that is like buying a three year old car with a new registration on it - I wouldn't do that either. Exchange 2010 is what Exchange 2007 should have been - in much the same way as Exchange 2003 was to 2000.

                    You are going to struggle to find anything. To be honest, for many clients I simply cannot justify the upgrade unless you are on very high numbers of users and are consolidating servers, need the transport rule functionality for compliance reasons or need the easier high availability. For everyone else, Exchange 2003 works very well.

                    Simon.
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                    Simon Butler
                    Exchange MVP

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                    • #11
                      Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                      Sembee

                      Thanks again for your post. I guess we'll just have to wait to move to a newer version of Exchange. I'm just going to go with moving Exchange 2003 to a new server but use all the same versions.

                      This post can be closed. Thanks for everyone's help!

                      Oh, and the reason for not going to Exchange 2010 is because it doesn't have SP1 yet. As a rule of thumb my manager doesn't deploy something without a Service Pack. Out of my hands.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                        Ah ha! I started a chat session with the Exchange 2010 team and got some great information.

                        Here is a link I got from the MSEx team going over the features. This is just what I was looking for! Also, they did confirm what Sembee said about buying 2010 and downgrading to 2007 (yuck). On the other hand, I did a little online shopping and CDW still sells Exchange 2007 Open License... and it didn't say anything about a downgrade. I suppose we are in a weird limbo right now with front end sales.

                        Here is a great pic of the differences between Exchange 2003, 2007 and 2010. Enjoy:

                        http://www.spyordie007.com/blogimage...k-Versions.png

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                        • #13
                          Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                          Open Licence is volume - that will be an Exchange 2010 licence - someone just hasn't updated the page on the web site.

                          Simon.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                            Yep, once again you are corrrect. A phone call confirmed it.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Moving Exchange 2003 (BlackBerry, Unity and GFI) to a new hardware

                              Update:

                              Alright, here is the direction we are headed and bear with me here, once again the decision making is not up to me, I can only influence. After discussing it in depth we have decided on Exchange 2010.

                              After a bit more research I found out that I absolutely must upgrade my Cisco/Unity system first.

                              Ok, all is well and I'm happy with my plan. However I still must move Exchange 2003 off the old hardware. I have been looking at a few older posts and following some links on setting up a second Exchange 2003 server. How will this affect Unity and how well does this work in your experience?

                              I'm just looking for a direction here (links)

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