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    We have windows 2000 based active directory with two DC, one win2000 member server has exchange 2000 standard edition installed on it, everything is working good with latest updates.

    We have decided to do the upgrade from 2000 platform to 2003, my plan is this

    1, do in place upgrade of Exchange 2000 standard to Exchange 2003 Enterprize edition,
    2, Install win2003 and promote in to DC,
    3, transfer FSMO role to new 2003 server,
    4, demote the 2000 server and then install 2003 on it and then join AD as backup DC

    Would you please provide me your input if my plan will work,

    Do i need to upgrade windows 2000 on the exchange server 2003?
    Is it possible to upgrade from standard edition to enterprize edition of Exchange server?

    This is my first upgrade so I am nervous here any good suggestions is welcome.

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    Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

    I suggest you upgrade the OS as well because no matter how you look at it, you Windows 2003 is far better than Windows 2000 (security, stability, etc.).

    Also, you will need a Windows 2003-based AD in order to allow for things such as RPC over HTTPs and more.
    Cheers,

    Daniel Petri
    Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
    MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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    • #3
      Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

      This is more aimed at Daniel, but is it really worth going through all this now that Windows 2008 release is just around the corner and Exchange 2007 has already had a SP release? This just seems like a lot of work for software that is coming up to 5 years old.

      Even at the least, Windows 2003 Server (with view to 2008 upgrade) and Exchange 2007.
      1 1 was a racehorse.
      2 2 was 1 2.
      1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
      2 2 1 1 2

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      • #4
        Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

        There is an awful lot of dissatisfaction with Exchange 2007, particularly among the small business crowd, almost all caused by the need to use command line for things that some people consider "basic" (which Microsoft don't).
        Exchange 2003 is a rock solid product, superb support available, high levels of third party utilities etc.

        As already pointed out, for the full feature set you need to have Exchange 2003 on Windows 2003. Exchange 2000 isn't supported on Windows 2003, so the ugprade path has to be Exchange then OS.

        However, I don't do in place upgrades of Exchange for any reason whatsoever. If someone asks me to do an in place upgrade I tell them to ask someone else. I find that in place upgrades are unreliable, cause problems and put the data at risk. I prefer to swing, which does not put any data at risk and ensures that the servers are clean.

        Simon.
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        • #5
          Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

          Originally posted by Sembee View Post
          There is an awful lot of dissatisfaction with Exchange 2007, particularly among the small business crowd, almost all caused by the need to use command line for things that some people consider "basic" (which Microsoft don't).
          Exchange 2003 is a rock solid product, superb support available, high levels of third party utilities etc.
          Finally, someone that thinks like me...
          Cheers,

          Daniel Petri
          Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
          MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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          • #6
            Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

            Thanks all for reply,

            biggles77, I would like to wait sometime before I go on Exchange 2007, as I am not comfortable with Exch2007 Yet.

            Sembee, as for In place upgrade I like to believe you, but being in small b'ness environment I have only one proliant server currently hosting exch2000 I don't think of any option where I can migrate rather then in place upgrade, if you have any creative suggestions you can let me know,

            DanielP, Is it possible to upgrade from exch200 standard edition to Exch2003 enterprize edition of Exchange server?

            Also to DanielP, how should I go ahead about upgrading my win2000 which hosting Exch2000, my idea was to upgrade Exch2000 to exch2003 first then upgrade win2000 to win2003 but not sure if that is the good idea,

            I am sound like stupid but I have not done major upgrade like this in the past and have no one in my team who can share some experience here at my workplace,

            what I have,

            1, one old server hosting win2000 AD as PDC
            2, one more old server hosting Second DC,
            3, One proliant 380 win2000 server hosting Exch2000 std edition,
            4, One P-4, 1Gb test machine,

            What I would like to do,
            1, buy new win2003 based server to replace my old PDC server,
            2,remove second DC, Use original PDC as backup DC,
            3, upgrade Exch2000 std edition to Exch2003 Enterprize edition which is on proliant 380 server, now this is more confusing to me as how I should proceed then upgrade the OS on that machine to win2003 but how to go about OS upgrade I am not sure, should I do in place upgrade? then effectively I will be doing both exchange upgrade inplace and OS upgrade inplace and I am not sure that is good way to go,

            But Daniel can you please share some light on what is the best way to go about both my Exchange upgrade and OS upgrade keeping in my my hardware resources,

            Thanks

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            • #7
              Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

              I find hardware to do a swing migration on. A desktop will do the job if you have a good backup and enough space on one. Anything to avoid in place upgrades.

              The question on order of upgrades on in place upgrades I have already answered. Exchange 2000 is not supported on Windows 2003, so Exchange has to be done first, then Windows. You can also upgrade Exchange types, so Exchange 2000 standard to 2003 Enterprise, but you cannot go back, so Exchange 2000 enterprise to Exchange 2003 standard.

              If you have the budget to buy a NEW domain controller then I would look to buy a new Exchange server instead. Domain Controllers can be pretty much anything that will run Windows 2003 - I have used old PIIIs in the past.

              Simon.
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              Simon Butler
              Exchange MVP

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              • #8
                Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                Simon, Swing migration, can you shade more light on it? I have got one test machine which is P4 and 1GB Memory,

                Just in case if I have to inplace upgrade on that proliant 380, is it possible to do in place upgrade of OS once I do inplace upgrade of exchange?

                The new server I am getting is small one not as powerfull as Proliant 380 I have,

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                • #9
                  Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                  I have outlined swing migration on my web site: http://www.amset.info/exchange/migration.asp

                  It is basically a move to another machine.

                  Exchange doesn't need power. You can throw lots of RAM and processor at it, it will not use it. What Exchange wants is storage, fast and lots of it. I have run 100s of users on a single processor with 1gb of RAM, no problems at all.

                  If you are buying a new machine and it has enough storage space then why not use that as the swing machine so that the original server can be removed in the correct way and rebuilt fresh. You will have a much happier machine and it will be a clean build without the data at risk.

                  Simon.
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                  Simon Butler
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                  • #10
                    Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                    Very good info Simon,

                    Thank you very much,

                    Do I have to move exchange public and private database files (.edb, .stm) manually?

                    Do I have to move transaction logs and above mention database files which is in same MDBDATA folder while exchange is off line?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                      You don't move the physical files, you move the content. Both machines are live through the process. It is zero downtime. With care the users will not even notice anything has changed.

                      Simon.
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                      Simon Butler
                      Exchange MVP

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                      • #12
                        Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                        Thank you very much Simon,

                        Bhavesh Mistry

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                        • #13
                          Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                          Simon, looking at all the possibility an In-place upgrade looks more tempting considering my inexperience with the migration process made me nervous to go with that type,

                          Simon or anybody who is viewing this thread please share their experience with the inplace upgrade of exchange 2000 to 2003, any problems encountered, tips things to keep in mind etc...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Exchange 2003 upgrade on windows 2000 server, Do I need to upgrade OS as well

                            If you are nervous about doing a migration to a new server then you should be doubly nervous about doing in place.

                            In place upgrade is high risk - if it goes wrong then you are looking at a restore from backup, which means you are relying on the backups being good.
                            A swing migration to new hardware, or even interim hardware is almost risk free and does not involve any downtime. There is virtual no risk to the data because the old and the new server are both live and accessible to the administrator throughout.

                            I don't in place upgrade Exchange or any machine with Exchange installed for any reason whatsoever. Therefore the only advice I can give you is simply don't do it. If a client asks me to in place upgrade then I ask them to find another consultant. As far as I am concerned with in place upgrades it is not IF it will go wrong, but WHEN.

                            Simon.
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                            Simon Butler
                            Exchange MVP

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