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    Well, I've done the intro today on Microsoft's 5-day 2596 course (Managing SMS2003). What a bloody awful product. I think a product written by another vendor (Novell maybe - or Apple) would be better integrated into AD.

    In fact, I think a product written by a 58 year-old builder p!ssed up on lager would be better integrated into AD. Great ideas on functionality - but execution SERIOUSLY sucks. Microsoft had a fantastic opportunity with the 2003 product to break away from the mould set by 2.0, and to really integrate SMS properly with Windows Server 2003 and Active Directory. They missed the boat. There are so many things that could have been done better that I can't think of anything that has been done well.

    Oh well, at least I know that in my organisation, it needs lots of supporting - which means I'm kept in a job.

    Cheers


    Tom
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    Re: Sms 2003

    SMS requires dedicated support staff. If you are already working 40 hours per week, good luck and I hope you are paid hourly. The local pub will become your friend, if you ever have time to go there any more.
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    • #3
      Re: Sms 2003

      Well, as it happens, we have an Application Deployment team who package and deploy apps via SMS, we have a Desktop Engineering team who manage SMS for the most part, and we also have myself and one of my colleagues in the Windows Infrastructure team who will support the SMS infrastructure - i.e. break-fix. I'm looking forward to having lots to do.


      Tom
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      • #4
        Re: Sms 2003

        I heard a rumor that SMS 2003 ships with a new version of Network Monitor (full version). Any truth to this that you know of?

        Jas
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        • #5
          Re: Sms 2003

          Well, ever since SMS 1.2 that I know of, the "Full" version of network monitor (which allows promiscuous mode) has shipped with SMS. Apparently now, if you select "Network Monitoring" in Add/Remove Programs (Windows Components) and the SMS Client is already installed, you get this "Full" version. As far as I'm aware, it's only the "full version" of the product you see when you do this WITHOUT the SMS Client - but I could be wrong. Not sure if it's a "Lots of bells and whistles" thing, or if it's just the ordinary network monitor plus promiscuity. I'll probably know more near the end of the week... we're covering the whole product suite in 5 days FFS.


          Tom
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          • #6
            Re: Sms 2003

            Now that you can get Netmon 3 for free from Microsoft there's no more need for the SMS version of Netmon, not to mention 3rd party freebies such as Wireshark.

            I am actually sitting in the same class myself this week, in a different part of the globe...
            Cheers,

            Daniel Petri
            Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
            MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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            • #7
              Re: Sms 2003

              Cool!


              Tom
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              • #8
                Re: Sms 2003

                I went and grabbed the latest version of Network Monitor from the SMS 2003 SP1 CD. It's only a point release better than the SMS 2.0 version that I've been using since about year 2000.

                SMS 2.x = Netmon 2.0
                SMS 2003 = Netmon 2.1

                I'll have to check out this Netmon version 3 you guys are speaking of.

                Thanks,
                Jas
                VCDX3 #34, VCDX4, VCDX5, VCAP4-DCA #14, VCAP4-DCD #35, VCAP5-DCD, VCPx4, vEXPERTx4, MCSEx3, MCSAx2, MCP, CCAx2, A+
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                • #9
                  Re: Sms 2003

                  Originally posted by danielp View Post
                  Now that you can get Netmon 3 for free from Microsoft there's no more need for the SMS version of Netmon, not to mention 3rd party freebies such as Wireshark.

                  I am actually sitting in the same class myself this week, in a different part of the globe...
                  Ok, Network Monitor 3 got a face lift. Visually some things look better. I like the conversations.

                  However it looks like the experts and find routers funcitons got stripped out. Also, I don't see the bandwidth measurement tool where it measures bytes per second. The filtering mechanism looks like it's totally command line driven.

                  I would have to say that this new version totally sucks.

                  Back to the SMS version. Thankfully this new version doesn't uninstall the old version.
                  Last edited by jasonboche; 1st May 2007, 04:17.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Sms 2003

                    Originally posted by danielp View Post
                    I am actually sitting in the same class myself this week, in a different part of the globe...
                    Must be a bloody big classroom.
                    1 1 was a racehorse.
                    2 2 was 1 2.
                    1 1 1 1 race 1 day,
                    2 2 1 1 2

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                    • #11
                      Re: Sms 2003

                      I can't see the screen from here; obviously Daniel's sat at the front and me at the back. The instructor is speaking Hebrew as well which isn't a great deal of use to me.


                      Tom
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                      • #12
                        Re: Sms 2003

                        LOL, look at what I found...
                        Attached Files
                        Cheers,

                        Daniel Petri
                        Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
                        MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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                        • #13
                          Re: Sms 2003

                          LOL that looks like an SMS2.0 screen... certainly haven't seen THAT screen on my course...


                          Tom
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                          • #14
                            Re: Sms 2003

                            Actually it's SMS2003... Module 11...
                            Cheers,

                            Daniel Petri
                            Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Active Directory Directory Services
                            MCSA/E, MCTS, MCITP, MCT

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                            • #15
                              Re: Sms 2003

                              Ahh. We're doing Module 11 later this afternoon I think. Or maybe tomorrow morning.


                              Tom
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