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    I have XP Pro SP3 running normally on my desktop. This version of XP Pro was installed some 2-3 years ago using an Update XP Pro CD to update from the originally installed W2K SP4 .

    I have never had need to use this Installation Disk since the original upgrade as , in the event of any BSOD's which have occurred from time to time , I have used Image Files previously recorded for any recovery necessary.

    Recently , I decided to create an XP-Pro - SP3 Slipstreamed disk and when I inserted this in order to test it , I got the message " ...unable to detect any hard drives ..." .

    I checked the BIOS Boot Settings and both of my serial hard drives were correctly showing and the order of Booting was as it always was , i.e. CD first , then H/D No 1 which contains the OS.

    The P.C. was still booting into the h/d as before when no disk was inserted.

    Thinking that the Slipstreamed Disk had become corrupted I then inserted the original MS Update Disk and got the same message .

    It would seem unlikely that both disks had been corrupted. In addition I recently have been trying out the Virtual Machine 2007 by trying my Slipstreamed Disk in that where it got as far as asking for an "SP3" Disk and then stopped.

    Can anyone suggest a reason for these results ?

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    Re: Installation Disk Problems!

    Unable to detect hard drives usually means you need the raid or ahci drivers loading, what type of hdd/mb setup do you have?
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    • #3
      Re: Installation Disk Problems!

      I would agree with Andy there. You'll probably need to either hit F6 to load the driver for your SCSI or SATA controller during install or create another copy of the media with the driver slipstreamed as well as the service pack.

      You mention serial hard drives, I assume you mean SATA? In this case it is likely you need the AHCI/SATA driver or alternatively you can usually configure most BIOSes to legacy/ata mode which basically means IDE emulation but slightly reduced performance in most cases.
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      • #4
        Re: Installation Disk Problems!

        Originally posted by AndyJG247 View Post
        Unable to detect hard drives usually means you need the raid or ahci drivers loading, what type of hdd/mb setup do you have?
        This reply also refers to Cruachan's reply .

        Surely the point here is that these drives are already recognised by the existing OP ?- why else would the machine continue to be able to boot when no disk is inserted ?

        It would seem to me that the problem is that the necessary data is not being transferred between the machine and the inserted disks - perhaps the failure here is in the CD drive's ability to read what is existing on the hard drive?

        To see if this is where the fault lies I'll change the media source from the present CD drive to another CD/DVD drive which I have installed on this machine.

        I'll post back further

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        • #5
          Re: Installation Disk Problems!

          If you are booting off the CD then you aren't booting using the installed OS and therefore any drivers installed in it as well.
          You can slipstream XP with drivers as well, nlite is excellent for that.
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            Re: Installation Disk Problems!

            Originally posted by AndyJG247 View Post
            If you are booting off the CD then you aren't booting using the installed OS and therefore any drivers installed in it as well.
            You can slipstream XP with drivers as well, nlite is excellent for that.
            I'm not sure I understand the point you're making here.

            If you're saying that the Slipstreamed CD which I created didn't include the necessary drivers and, therefore , that would explain its inability to boot the PC , then perhaps that would be a possible reason for the failure to boot although I find that difficult to accept.

            I have to say that producing a Slipstreamed Bootable CD from the detailed Web instructions which would result in such an ineffectual product is difficult to believe possible!

            I'm sure I've misunderstood you here.

            Anyway , assuming that is what you meant , how is it possible to explain the failure of the original MS Update CD ? - the failure of which mirrored that of the Slipstreamed disk!

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            • #7
              Re: Installation Disk Problems!

              If you upgraded your original 2000 with XP then you probably started the upgrade within Windows and therefore were using the 2000 drivers to install with. A "fresh" windows cd has a limited amount of drivers on it so can't be expected to support every system. If you need specialised drivers to install (which is very common) then you need to press F6 as requested during the inital bootup to add them from a floppy.

              It isn't an "ineffectual product" it was just probably made before your motherboard was so doesn't automaticaly include its drivers.

              http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
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              • #8
                Re: Installation Disk Problems!

                Simple test, try the non-slipstreamed XP media. If it fails too, then you need the drivers for your hard drive controller.

                As AndyJG247 stated, an upgrade installation is initiated from within Windows, so the existing drivers are used. When booting off a CD to perform a clean installation you are not within an OS but the mini shell that the CD creates during the install, and it has a minimal set of drivers hence why in versions of Windows prior to Vista you had the Press F6 to install drivers prompt.
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                • #9
                  Re: Installation Disk Problems!

                  Thanks to Andyjg247 and Cruachan for your replies.

                  That has told me something I didn't know or , certainly , hadn't realised.

                  It has also reassured me that there wasn't going to be some obscure failure which would take forever to find.

                  Much thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Installation Disk Problems!

                    If you need specialised drivers to install (which is very common) then you need to press F6 as requested during the inital bootup to add them from a floppy.

                    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859[/quote]

                    Andy,

                    Since my last post , I've just been reading the MS Article you quote here and I note the bit above where it invites you to add the necessary drivers from a floppy after pressing F6.

                    Unfortunately I've disconnected my floppy drive . I could reconnect it it again of course - ( if I can find it ! ) - but I am wondering whether there would be another way to get these drivers during Installation ? Is it possible to put these drivers onto a disk ?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Installation Disk Problems!

                      It is possible to slipstream the drivers into your installation media using nlite. As far as I know XP only supports installing from a floppy drive when the F6 option is used. XP is nearly 8 years old now, and sata/ahci or raid in desktop PCs was pretty much unheard of back then.
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