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    I was wondering what is a reasonable request in terms of a raise after you have completed the MCITP:EA and SA certifications? I'm currently going for both and I hope to be done by early next year or late this year. I want to make sure when it comes time for my review in January I have a good idea whats a fair increase to ask for.My company generally gives 5% increases yearly without any certs so what would be a fair request? 15 % ? 20%? ...
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    Re: Certification and salary

    What is this word "raise"? I know not of what you speak

    Seriously, go for what you can, but in the "current economic climate" I think you're damn lucky to get anything
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    • #3
      Re: Certification and salary

      yeah I know it has been bad all year for alot of workers and companies.My company had a freeze on raises and hiring all year! I'm hoping the new year will bring a better situation. I know I'll be lucky to get a raise but I do hope to be rewarded for the hard work it takes to achieve certification. 6 microsoft tests isn't a walk in the park lol. Well thanks for the reply and hopefully me and everyone else on this wonderful forum can see better fortune in the near future
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      • #4
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        What is this word "salary"? I know not of what you speak.
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        • #5
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          We don't get anything when getting certified.... And I did 13 exams in about 6 months...
          Some companies do but usually a single bonus...
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          • #6
            Re: Certification and salary

            I don't directly get a raise, however, it is usually one of the things I get evaluated on. So it improves my score from which the raise is calculated.

            It has very little impact except when you actually change jobs usually.
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            • #7
              Re: Certification and salary

              Originally posted by Dumber View Post
              We don't get anything when getting certified.... And I did 13 exams in about 6 months...
              Some companies do but usually a single bonus...
              My hats off to you for that. there is no way I could pull off 13 exams in 6 months wow !

              Forgive me if I'm wrong but wouldn't getting certified justify getting a nice raise when it comes time for your annual review.I know that actually going through all the hard work to get certified is rewarding in itself but I would think that it would also help an employee get a raise. I don't make great money now so I was hoping certifications would help boost my knowledge and salary .
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              • #8
                Re: Certification and salary

                Originally posted by gepeto View Post
                I don't directly get a raise, however, it is usually one of the things I get evaluated on. So it improves my score from which the raise is calculated.

                It has very little impact except when you actually change jobs usually.
                This.

                I got my CCNA about 2 years ago, I got a pat on the back, hand shake, and a "good job". No raise, no bonus. I don't even get my test or materials paid for.

                I have gotten multiple certs over the past few years. I believe I had one boss give me a $25 bonus check for obtaining my MCP a few years back, but that's it.

                I am able to pull those out of the hat for my annual evaluation as continuing education, which directly leads to my percentage raise I get each year.

                Certs are everything when you are looking to get hired, as it can show a employer that you have knowledge in a perspective field. However, once you are hired certs are pointless.
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                • #9
                  Re: Certification and salary

                  From my point of view there is value in the certs, as I work for an IT Support company, so it's attractive to customers (current and potential) that the engineers are qualified.

                  I don't know how much of a raise is to be expected though, in my case my exams were paid for and I did most of the work during quiet periods in the office. It's looked on as "of benefit to the company and the employee" where I work.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Certification and salary

                    Unless your job changes, chances are you won't get squat. Why? The job didn't change, right? If you could do the job before the certs, then the certs wouldn't change that.
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                    • #11
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                      I see what you guys are saying. I'm hoping to be able to move to a higher tier in my company. Right now I do more of a Junior systems adminstrator role and I hope to be able to to move up to a more server side role.So I hope to go from Tier 2 to Tier 3 in my company. I have considered moving to Florida next year so if I see a great opportunity there then I might jump on that.
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                      • #12
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                        Heh, I'm considering doing the opposite, moving out of Florida. Seeing too many over specialized jobs and too many low paying desktop support jobs.
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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by Wired View Post
                          Heh, I'm considering doing the opposite, moving out of Florida. Seeing too many over specialized jobs and too many low paying desktop support jobs.
                          Really its that bad ? man that sucks! I moved from Orlando to Houston about 4 years ago and I have been able to get more IT experience here but I don't like it here.I really wanted to move back to FL even if its not Orlando.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Certification and salary

                            I think MCITPs get paid less once they pass the cert.

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                            • #15
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                              In my experience it's a rare occasion when someone moves up within the IT department due to hard work, certifications, dedication, yada yada yada.

                              Moving up usually means moving on and out.

                              It's too bad that more companies don't take the attitude that cruachan's company does: that education and training are mutually beneficial.

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