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    Hi All,

    Im an NT4 and Win2000 MCSE.

    I cannot do the upgrade path because those exams retired in March.

    Should i bother doing the 6 or 7 exams to get my MCSE2003?

    or should jump straight into 08?

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    Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

    Thats really your call, but you might want to consider the following:
    1) Server 2008 is a relatively new OS and many companies havent even started considering upgrading yet, so 2003 will be with us a long time
    1b) But when they do upgrade, certified staff will be in great demand
    2) MCSE is a well recognised qualification, whereas MCITP:Enterprise Administrator takes a bit of explaining even to IT-aware people (thanks, Microsoft )
    2a) But you have two MCSEs already
    3) There is no upgrade path from MCSE 2000 to MCITP:EA

    You could consider MCSA:2003 as an additional qualification -- only 4 exams, which can all count for MCSE if you decide to do it. That way you can show that your qualifications are still current and make your upgrade route somewhat shorter
    Tom Jones
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    • #3
      Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

      I'd agree with Ossian, if you go for MCSA 2003 (4 exams) then you are 4 exams more to upgrade to MCITP: EA, 3 if you do Vista as your client exam for MCSA.

      I'm sitting on 3 MCPs and I'll be doing at least MCSA: Security+Messaging before I upgrade to Server 2008. Depending on what my work want MCSE: Security is a very real possibility. Only one of our customers has talked about it so far and even then it'll be this time next year as that's when the hardware warranty on their servers expires. 2 years ago I was still working with a lot of clients using Windows 2000 Server, so I don't see Server 2003 being obsolete any time soon.
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      • #4
        Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

        A couple of months ago I only had one MCP left (windows XP)
        I've choosen to do MCSE 2003 + security first and have done it within 3 months.. IMO MCSE is still higher recognised than MCITP:EA (indeed thanks to microsoft)
        The name has been changed and I still doubt if it was a good idea.
        First it's to long, second nobody knows what it is

        Right now I'm only a couple of days away from my upgrade to MCITP:EA (yeah I finally finished reading my book)
        Marcel
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        • #5
          Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

          They were forced to change the name. Engineers across the world did not see the professional experience, studying and Exam committment faced by the prospective MCSE as anything like the load faced by a prospective Engineer (Engineering Degree, Master of Engineering etc) and therefore felt that use of the word "Engineer" devalued their profession.


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          • #6
            Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

            Hmmm possible...
            Time will tell if it works...
            Marcel
            Technical Consultant
            Netherlands
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            http://blog.nessus.nl

            MCITP(EA, SA), MCSA/E 2003:Security, CCNA, SNAF, DCUCI, CCSA/E/E+ (R60), VCP4/5, NCDA, NCIE - SAN, NCIE - BR, EMCPE
            "No matter how secure, there is always the human factor."

            "Enjoy life today, tomorrow may never come."
            "If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill"

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            • #7
              Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

              Originally posted by Stonelaughter View Post
              They were forced to change the name. Engineers across the world did not see the professional experience, studying and Exam committment faced by the prospective MCSE as anything like the load faced by a prospective Engineer (Engineering Degree, Master of Engineering etc) and therefore felt that use of the word "Engineer" devalued their profession.
              Of course, to the average punter, the person in the garage who fixes your car is an "engineer"
              Related, but "off topic", I've had great fun trying to explain to people that a "network administrator" is ever-so-slightly higher up the food chain than a secretary -- and had people who will not allow the title "network manager" as it demeans "real" managers. Of course, these are the sort of people whose servers suffer unfortunate "accidents"
              Tom Jones
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              PhD, MSc, FIAP, MIITT
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              Ossian Ltd
              Scotland

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              • #8
                Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                it demeans "real" managers.
                A mate of mine was told he had to change his job title from "Network Manager" because he didn't have any staff and therefore couldn't be a manager. After a week of him having "Network Overlord" in his email signature his bosses relented on that one.
                BSc, MCSA: Server 2008, MCSE, MCSA: Messaging, MCTS
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                • #9
                  Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                  Now where's that :evillaugh: smilie when you need it?
                  Mmmuuuaaaahhhhhh
                  I'll split this thread to the coffee lounge soon as it's getting very
                  Tom Jones
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                  Scotland

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                  • #10
                    Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                    Go to any job search website and search for MCSE and MCITP and compare the results. It looks something like this:

                    MCSE: 2,347
                    MCITP: 3

                    I have the EA and its wasted space on my resume for another year until it picks up.

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                    • #11
                      Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                      Originally posted by zeps View Post
                      Hi All,

                      Im an NT4 and Win2000 MCSE.

                      I cannot do the upgrade path because those exams retired in March.

                      Should i bother doing the 6 or 7 exams to get my MCSE2003?

                      or should jump straight into 08?
                      As nearly everyone else has noted, the MCSE is more well-known than it's MCITP counterparts. However, It certainly can't hurt your resume. Also, if you're already an NT4 / 2000 MCSE with the associated experience then it won't take that much time to study for the 2003 version. You may be able to challenge Marcel's 3 month MCSE record. Just grab an Exam Cram book for each exam and that should do it. Of course, $125 x 7 exams + ~$10 per book at the local used book store = nearly $1000. Only you can decide if it'll be worth it in your current job or your locale's job market.

                      BTW, check the exam requirements for the MCSE 2003 elective and the client OS exams. You may very well have those already taken care of and thus only need to take 5 exams. You should also be able to log into the MCP member site and look at the Certification Planner (as cheesy as it is) to see how close to your MCSE 2003 you are.
                      Last edited by Nonapeptide; 9th December 2008, 21:17.
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                      • #12
                        Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                        Do you really think doing the MCSE within 3 months is a record?
                        Marcel
                        Technical Consultant
                        Netherlands
                        http://www.phetios.com
                        http://blog.nessus.nl

                        MCITP(EA, SA), MCSA/E 2003:Security, CCNA, SNAF, DCUCI, CCSA/E/E+ (R60), VCP4/5, NCDA, NCIE - SAN, NCIE - BR, EMCPE
                        "No matter how secure, there is always the human factor."

                        "Enjoy life today, tomorrow may never come."
                        "If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill"

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                        • #13
                          Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                          Originally posted by Dumber View Post
                          Do you really think doing the MCSE within 3 months is a record?
                          For you it is.
                          Wesley David
                          LinkedIn | Careers 2.0
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                          Microsoft Certifications: MCSE 2003 | MCSA:Messaging 2003 | MCITP:EA, SA, EST | MCTS: a'plenty | MCDST
                          Vendor Neutral Certifications: CWNA
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                          • #14
                            Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                            Again, to a certain extent, but there are bootcamps where you can do a complete MCSE (7 exams) within 2 weeks. I've done this and taught in them.
                            Tom Jones
                            MCT, MCSE (2000:Security & 2003), MCSA:Security & Messaging, MCDBA, MCDST, MCITP(EA, EMA, SA, EDA, ES, CS), MCTS, MCP, Sec+
                            PhD, MSc, FIAP, MIITT
                            IT Trainer / Consultant
                            Ossian Ltd
                            Scotland

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                            • #15
                              Re: should i bother with MCSE2003

                              In my opinion those type of course only help to devalue the qualification. You cant expect to be a brain surgeon in 2 weeks. And neither can you expect to be a Microsoft technical specialist in 2 weeks.

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