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  • MCSE > MCSA?

    Hey guys (sorry for the long-winded post),

    I came here yesterday ang looked around and i saw these forums, and i have always been interested in MCSE and the likes..
    However, im a tad confused..

    While trying to find out the differences i stumbled upon this site:

    Now, how i see their top graphic.. i would think that a MCSA would have difference skills to a MCSE.. But when i compare the courses/exams.. MCSE has a a few extras but they are pretty much the same.

    What i want to know is.. Is there really any difference? and what stream would be considered the the more "advanced". Like if i were to go to a job and me and someone else exactly the same, apart from the fact one had a MCSE and the other had a MCSA who would be more likely to get a job?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.. I was actually going to order the mcse step-by-step book-set for the core exams.. but any opinions would be great

  • #2
    MCSE is older and therefore better recognized. Also you need to remember that most of the people (Human Resources) that post jobs. They don't have a clue which cert a potential candidate should have to compliment the needs of their company.

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    • #3
      ahhk thats cool..
      From what i have gathered.. i can read up on all the things i should know and when i do go for the exams i will be prepared.. however, if dont go for the exams for a while.. i still put what i have learnt into practice anyways..


      • #4
        If you have jumped into the deepend then I suggest you wear a snorkel. Courses are run by several vendors. A couple I know offhand are:

        Educom, Melb and Sydney

        Monash IT in Melbourne.

        Have a look in computer mags like PC World. Course vendors are listed there.

        However instead of jumping in and doing a course, I would suggest buying a couple of books, downloading the 180 day trial software from Microsoft, setting up a network at home and do the play and learn trick for a while. The courses are VERY intensive and you can getting some serious information overload with the result you end up wasting a lot of money. These courses ain't cheap. Last time I looked the MCSE ranged between $9,000 - $12,000. Self study, the books will cost less than $1,000.

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        • #5

          That's exactly the way you should do it. Experience is the most important aspect of what we do. I had my MCSE 4.0 cert, then my company recently agreed to send me to a MCSA boot camp for 2003. I have experience and was able to pass all the test, but many didn't. The lack of experience, I think was their down fall. Even if your able to pass the test, your really cheating your self. You might get a job with the cert, but if you can't do the work, because you lack the ability to apply the concepts, then your going to have trouble.

          10 years ago I set up a network in my garage and started experimenting. And while I won't say I know everything there is to know, I understand much about TCP/IP and Networking. The advantage of a home practice network is that you can try the concepts and if you break the network, your not costing a company their valuable time.

          Also read, I'm partial to the Sybex books, but there are many out there that give you the information you need.


          • #6
            cheers guys,

            I think i didnt woork it properly.. (in fact i think i edited it out)..
            I have just ordered my core books for 2003 MCSE.. which im quite happy with. I was never going to go for the courses i was just comparing them on the sites lol.. sorry for the confusion

            I think the practical side of it should be well covered, i get the eval with the books.. and i work in the IT department of a High School with a windows 2003 server with approx 300 computers.. The best thing is, im fairly fine to 'play' and fiddle with things as long as I dont kill the network. And of course i have a network at home.. it only consists of two computers right now, but im getting another one in the near future, so one will be relegated to a testing server..

            The bad news for you guys is that you might have another person hanging around the forums, so watch out

            - MARK


            • #7
              I teach the MCP, MCSA and MCSE. Students wanting to complete the MCSE do the same modules as people doing the MCSA. So it is a logical progression. There are two streams in the MCSA and MCSE; messaging (Exchange 2000, 2003) and security (ISA server).
              The MCSE is defintely a better recognised cert because it has been around since NT 3.xx.

              The MCSA is more administration as opposed to the MCSE which is design, implementation and troubleshooting issues